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先锋DV600AV内部大图!

谁有大的GOLMUND内部图,可以来比划一下. 首先这是全图.

[img]http://www.av-sphere.cn/UploadFile/2008-1/2008112211994440.jpg[/img]

这是左边的一半. 仔细看和高文CD机内部左边的似乎是大同小异的.

[[i] 本帖最后由 小白 于 2008-2-18 16:20 编辑 [/i]]

右边部分. 差异较大.

[[i] 本帖最后由 小白 于 2008-2-18 16:26 编辑 [/i]]

转盘部分. ORION产品.

竖拍图.

右边差异确实大！难道声音的差别主要就在右边的电路上？！:lol

但请注意右边的最大芯片,和先锋DVD机,是一家出的,也许还是同一型号(台湾制MT1389EXE). 看那个字母M上一个圈的LOGO. 不过高文里的那个芯片右上角帖着一块橙色的标记,不知道什么意思(刷过程序的?呵呵). 另外那些黑色的小电容也是一样的,并不是贵族的高级电容! 那GOLDMUND出好声的秘密在哪里呢??

[[i] 本帖最后由 小白 于 2008-2-18 17:11 编辑 [/i]]

出好声是心理作用吧？

[quote]原帖由 [i]小白[/i] 于 2008-2-18 16:40 发表 [url=http://bbs.headphoneclub.com/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=1126911&ptid=106224][img]http://bbs.headphoneclub.com/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
竖拍图. [/quote]

应该叫“鸟瞰图”或“俯视图”吧。;P

左边供电的差别也很大啊
就说那个明显的隔离牛吧，给这种等级的开关电上隔离牛是极其重要的，而牛的好坏对声音的影响又是非常大的
另外开关电源版上的引线也差别很大，看起来高文对供电线路也是修改过了

右面更不说了，除了视频解码芯片用了一样的型号，别的电路改多了

[quote]原帖由 [i]沉迷[/i] 于 2008-2-18 17:10 发表 [url=http://bbs.headphoneclub.com/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=1126922&ptid=106224][img]http://bbs.headphoneclub.com/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]


应该叫“鸟瞰图”或“俯视图”吧。;P [/quote]


我不是鸟哦. 再看一张别人拍的先锋DV696AV的内部图.

另外机壳材料、厚度和重心的分布也不同
对转盘加固等措施会改善转盘的水平

附加一句,我这台DV600AV声音很烂. 即使外接解码器,也声音很烂. 我怎么也不信GOLDMUND的声音会是这个,或者只好一点点. 不管GOLDMUND做了些什么改进,声音肯定是进步很大的. 否则的话GOLDMUND在拿自己的声誉开玩笑了.

[[i] 本帖最后由 小白 于 2008-2-18 17:24 编辑 [/i]]

对了，白版怎么会想起来买先锋DVD的？

[quote]原帖由 [i]silver47[/i] 于 2008-2-18 17:26 发表 [url=http://bbs.headphoneclub.com/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=1126931&ptid=106224][img]http://bbs.headphoneclub.com/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
对了，白版怎么会想起来买先锋DVD的？ [/quote]

DV600无论是规格功能还是画质在这个价位很有竞争力啊
先锋读烂盘也比别的合资机好

[quote]原帖由 [i]silver47[/i] 于 2008-2-18 17:26 发表 [url=http://bbs.headphoneclub.com/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=1126931&ptid=106224][img]http://bbs.headphoneclub.com/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
对了，白版怎么会想起来买先锋DVD的？ [/quote]

为了店里给人试机.

如果有认为CD,DVD一样声的,或者数字部分都是0和1没区别的,随时欢迎来店,我只要几分钟就改变你的错误观念,呵呵.

小白,我可能有答案了.想先问问这个DVD机和GOLDMUND的详细资料:
再确认一下,这个DVD是什么型号?能读SACD不?
GOLDMUND是什么型号?支持SACD不?
谢谢

我这个DVD型号为DV600AV,后面帖的那个是DV696. 不读SACD. GOLDMUND应该也不读SACD.

但我觉得DV600和DV696与GOLDMUND内部还是有不同,主要是在解码部分. 可能还存在一台较早的先锋型号,是更接近GOLDMUND机器的"先锋基础".

这个GOLDMUND是不是18CD?

[quote]原帖由 [i]小白[/i] 于 2008-2-18 17:32 发表 [url=http://bbs.headphoneclub.com/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=1126934&ptid=106224][img]http://bbs.headphoneclub.com/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]


为了店里给人试机.

如果有认为CD,DVD一样声的,或者数字部分都是0和1没区别的,随时欢迎来店,我只要几分钟就改变你的错误观念,呵呵. [/quote]
这问题应进一步追问下去。我个人目前能想到的可能的原因是：

1、转盘与解码按同步方式处理数字流。

2、震动。

3、碟片品质不好，导致读数据时要加大功率，进而引起电源波动；或引起转盘不稳定。

如果CD碟上的数据格式支持分块定位和纠错，那么在转盘和解码器间使用异步读、纠错、存储缓冲技术，同时在界码器部分使用时钟重整技术，我觉得转盘对声音影响的权重将大幅下降。

我希望能有更进一步的讨论。

大部分都是外行

怎么进一步讨论？？

[quote]原帖由 [i]Firenzer[/i] 于 2008-2-18 21:49 发表 [url=http://bbs.headphoneclub.com/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=1126970&ptid=106224][img]http://bbs.headphoneclub.com/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
大部分都是外行

怎么进一步讨论？？ [/quote]

我也是外行。外行解释不了，但可以存疑、可以追问。

我相信这样的常识：如果器材的变化确实带来声音的变化，那一定存在有物理原因。

抛开转盘工作对电源的影响（这有可能波及到解码和模拟电路的供电品质），转盘对声音的影响，一是产生错码，二是时基抖动。除这些外，我现在还想不到有其它的因素导致转盘对ＣＤ机声音有影响。

电源的板子一样，解码和输出板子除了外形一样外，完全不一样。。。无法确认高文那解码板子上用的是不是高档电解，看不清楚。。。高文在转盘下面也许还有块板:D

现在首先要做的是搞清到底是哪台高文机，什么型号，内部的清晰大图，最好是谁有这台机器，这样可以AB对比。
如果是什么型号都不清楚，还有什么搞头啊！！

这样对比有意义吗?仿SOLO的不都承认声音差很多吗?这可是连电路,元件都一点不差呀:lol

[quote]原帖由 [i]高斯静[/i] 于 2008-2-22 09:10 发表 [url=http://bbs.headphoneclub.com/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=1127807&ptid=106224][img]http://bbs.headphoneclub.com/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
这样对比有意义吗?仿SOLO的不都承认声音差很多吗?这可是连电路,元件都一点不差呀:lol [/quote]
我所见过的几款仿solo的元件与原版相差还是有点的:)

如果板子和元件都100%的COPY下来还有很大才差距的话。。。那我觉得这就是灵异事件了。。。:(

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To help them, we are even showing below the inside of an Eidos 20 so they don't have to buy one to know what's inside. We even included the reference of all the Pioneer parts we use, aren't we nice?


We also had an interesting reaction from some far-east customers who were finding the Eidos 20 too shallow and complained. So, we explained that the purpose was to minimize the HDMI path, a way we found to considerably increase the performance over our previous models.

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[[i] 本帖最后由 徕卡 于 2008-2-24 19:41 编辑 [/i]]

阿哈 ;P

看来似乎不光是一部型号，而是一些列都这样了:o

[[i] 本帖最后由 ellennet 于 2008-2-24 19:28 编辑 [/i]]