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音乐丝带的线速度很快，但声音薄了点，这样搭是否提高了低频的速度；而AQ的这线控制力不错，有厚度，是否弥补了箱子的中高频呢。我想音响好玩就在于此吧！楼主继续。

完全是玄学范畴。

[quote]原帖由 [i]森海之王[/i] 于 2008-8-28 11:02 发表 [url=http://bbs.headphoneclub.com/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=1195749&ptid=111945][img]http://bbs.headphoneclub.com/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
音乐丝带的线速度很快，但声音薄了点，这样搭是否提高了低频的速度；而AQ的这线控制力不错，有厚度，是否弥补了箱子的中高频呢。我想音响好玩就在于此吧！楼主继续。 [/quote]

丝带声音不薄的。

[quote]原帖由 [i]小小啤酒肚[/i] 于 2008-8-28 11:02 发表 [url=http://bbs.headphoneclub.com/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=1195751&ptid=111945][img]http://bbs.headphoneclub.com/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
完全是玄学范畴。 [/quote]

非玄学也， 但要求系统有一定素质才能反映出来。

[quote]原帖由 [i]bruceshen[/i] 于 2008-8-28 19:38 发表 [url=http://www.headphoneclub.com/bbs/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=1196015&ptid=111945][img]http://www.headphoneclub.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]


非玄学也， 但要求系统有一定素质才能反映出来。 [/quote]

我发觉我和小葛走哪哪出玄学
还连累一帮子朋友;P

[quote]原帖由 [i]bruceshen[/i] 于 2008-8-28 00:19 发表 [url=http://bbs.headphoneclub.com/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=1195613&ptid=111945][img]http://bbs.headphoneclub.com/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]


我的还好，喇叭线加跳线只有4千多。

今天刚刚试了第一种新接法：
假设超级瓦卡罗跳线素质好于aq cv8喇叭线
喇叭线正接低通(LF)正极，跳线从低通正极跳高通正极；负接高通(HF)负极。， 从高通负极跳低通负极 ... [/quote]

新错位接法的高频延伸好于两个都接高通，低频下潜稍逊但量感较多，总体还算平衡:lol

[quote]原帖由 [i]nadesicozhao[/i] 于 2008-8-28 21:33 发表 [url=http://www.headphoneclub.com/bbs/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=1196071&ptid=111945][img]http://www.headphoneclub.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]


我发觉我和小葛走哪哪出玄学
还连累一帮子朋友;P [/quote]

秋叶原欢迎您！！！;P
两位没事赶紧过来吧:lol

[quote]原帖由 [i]8492[/i] 于 2008-8-29 12:04 发表 [url=http://bbs.headphoneclub.com/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=1196298&ptid=111945][img]http://bbs.headphoneclub.com/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]


秋叶原欢迎您！！！;P
两位没事赶紧过来吧:lol [/quote]

做梦都想来啊!....................可是每天要上班赚钱哦,另外不懂日语,英文也没学好....................

日语不会不用怕，有我呢。:P :P

啥时候我当上局先进了就来玩;P

[quote]原帖由 [i]8492[/i] 于 2008-8-28 08:14 发表 [url=http://www.headphoneclub.com/bbs/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=1195669&ptid=111945][img]http://www.headphoneclub.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]


我看见的还是多功放的多一些吧，大多数落地箱开声的时候都是一堆后级跟着……好像全部相同后级的情况多些。

68576这是啥接法？？

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哎……没人回答吗？？明明是双推了，为啥还要接跳线？？:o :o

[quote]原帖由 [i]8492[/i] 于 2008-9-1 15:56 发表 [url=http://bbs.headphoneclub.com/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=1197772&ptid=111945][img]http://bbs.headphoneclub.com/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]

哎……没人回答吗？？明明是双推了，为啥还要接跳线？？:o :o [/quote]

双喇叭线分音,再并上高素质跳线的话,效果更好(我就是这么接的)

就是说，就算有一堆后级，跳线也还是不能少了……:L :L
等合适的二手线材中……:Q :Q

[quote]原帖由 [i]末世诗歌[/i] 于 2008-8-27 12:39 发表 [url=http://bbs.headphoneclub.com/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=1195245&ptid=111945][img]http://bbs.headphoneclub.com/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]


同疑惑，capri要有2对平衡输出才能玩得双功放 [/quote]

here is the answer from Jeff Rowland.

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[size=2][font=Tahoma][b]From:[/b] Jeff Rowland Design Group [mailto:jrdg@jeffrowland.com]
[b]Sent:[/b] 2008年9月3日 1:42
[b]To:[/b] Bruce Shen (DHL CN)
[b]Subject:[/b] Re: questions on M102 bi-amp set-up with Capri

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[font=Arial][size=2]You could use a larger amplifier, such as the Model 201/501, for driving the woofers. You could drive the amps directly from the second set of Capri outputs, however the second set of outputs are unbalanced RCA. But this is no problem. You simply need to use an RCA interconnect and an RCA to XLR adapter on the input of the 201/501 used for the woofers.[/size][/font]

[font=Arial][size=2]No other adjustments are necessary, since the output levels of the Capri preamp and the amplifiers are the same[/size][/font] [font=Arial][size=2]on both XLR and Balanced outputs and inputs. Other brand amplifiers or preamps do not have this feature so gain adjustments would have to be made.[/size][/font]
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[font=Arial][size=2]The result would offer excellent performance.[/size][/font]
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[font=Arial][size=2]Jeff Rowland[/size][/font]
[indent]----- Original Message -----
[b]From:[/b] [email=Bruce.shen@dhl.com][color=#0000ff]Bruce Shen (DHL CN)[/color][/email]
[b]To:[/b] [email=jrdg@jeffrowland.com][color=#800080]jrdg@jeffrowland.com[/color][/email]
[b]Sent:[/b] Friday, August 29, 2008 2:36 AM
[b]Subject:[/b] questions on M102 bi-amp set-up with Capri

[size=2]I am a proud owner of the jeff rowland product Capri pre-amp and M102s power amp.[/size]
[size=2]Very satisfied with the performance of this little combo. However, I am looking for more power/control as I am using speakers with 12" woofer. Bi-amp might be a solution. Therefore I w[/size][size=2]ould like to know the possibility of setting up bi-amp using 2 M102s with Capri.[/size]
[size=2]Pls let me know if it is workable and if yes, what kind of special set-up/cabling I will need?[/size]
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[size=2]Thanks.[/size]

[align=left][size=2] [/align][/size][align=left][font=Arial][size=2]Best regards,[/size][/font][/align][font=Arial][size=2][/size][/font]
[align=left][font=Arial][size=2]Bruce Shen[/size][/font][/align][/indent]

Try and tell us the result , THX.:lol

跳线最后接法如下，效果最好:lol
喇叭线正极接喇叭高通正极，跳线从高通正极跳低通正极。
喇叭线负级接喇叭低通负极，跳线从低通负极跳高通负极。

我又给jeff rowland 发了email.

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From: Bruce Shen (DHL CN)
Sent: 2008年9月10日 14:50
To: Jeff Rowland Design Group
Subject: RE: questions on M102 bi-amp set-up with Capri
Importance: High


In mainland China , I am among the few who uses the latest Capri-102-PC1 combo. All my gear are ordered and shipped from your Hongkong dealer.The source for checking my questions are limited even your hongkong dealer cannot asnwer them well. That is why I am writing to JRDG directly. I have read some article on the Japanese magazine Stereo Sound which sings highly of the capri + M102 bi-amp set-up and that is why I am curious to know the details.

Some further questions:

1. In the bi-amp set-up you have mentioned, if i will use 1 x m102 to drive tweeter and 1 x m102 to drive the woofer, i will then connect xlr interconnect bewteen capri and 1 m102 to drive tweeter and rca interconnect with rca/xlr adapter bewteen the rca end of capri and xlr end of 102 to drive the woofer? Can you recommend any brand of rac/xlr adapter in the market, Cardas,Nuetrik or others? Can I order from JRDG dealer in Hongkong? Regarding the 2 sets of speaker cable and interconnect, do I need to use the same brand/model of cabling or it does not matter?


2. I have a PC-1 currently set up to feed m102s amp only. The custom-made power cord adapter supplied with PC1 is just too short and inconvenient for installation. I am also planning to use PC 1 to feed 102 amp and capri pre at the same time. Is it feasible? In that case, I will need special "Y" type cable linking pc1 with capri and 102 at the same time. Any requirement on the length of cable? can JRDG advise where I can order (probably from JRDG dealer in HK?) If not, can I have it custom-made in China? Any particular requirement for such cable eg. maximum length as it carries DC so probably as short as it can be but what will be the maximum limit?

Waiting anxiously to your kind answer.



Just a little snapshot of my current system set-up for your ref.

CD Transport: Philips LHH500R
D/A converter: Benchmark DAC 1
Pre-amp: JRDG Capri S
Power Amp: JRDG M102s + PC 1
Speaker: Klipsch Heritage Series Heresy III

Interconects between D/A, pre-amp and power amp are all Audioquest Colorado XLR.




Best regards,

Bruce Shen

[[i] 本帖最后由 bruceshen 于 2008-9-10 15:36 编辑 [/i]]

恭喜~

[quote]原帖由 [i]bruceshen[/i] 于 2008-9-10 15:28 发表 [url=http://bbs.headphoneclub.com/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=1202535&ptid=111945][img]http://bbs.headphoneclub.com/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
跳线最后接法如下，效果最好:lol
喇叭线正极接喇叭高通正极，跳线从高通正极跳低通正极。
喇叭线负级接喇叭低通负极，跳线从低通负极跳高通负极。 [/quote]

对角线接法。:handshake

Jeff的说法和老刘（汉盛）的说法有些不同哦。:o

校长：59、60。:)

[quote]原帖由 [i]pipeorgan[/i] 于 2008-9-10 15:41 发表 [url=http://bbs.headphoneclub.com/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=1202543&ptid=111945][img]http://bbs.headphoneclub.com/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
Jeff的说法和老刘（汉盛）的说法有些不同哦。:o [/quote]

老刘咋说？ 请赐教。

[quote]原帖由 [i]bruceshen[/i] 于 2008-9-10 15:52 发表 [url=http://bbs.headphoneclub.com/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=1202550&ptid=111945][img]http://bbs.headphoneclub.com/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]


老刘咋说？ 请赐教。 [/quote]

就是57楼的那篇文章。

[quote]原帖由 [i]bruceshen[/i] 于 2008-9-10 15:32 发表 [url=http://bbs.headphoneclub.com/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=1202538&ptid=111945][img]http://bbs.headphoneclub.com/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
我又给jeff rowland 发了email.

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From: Bruce Shen (DHL CN)
Sent: 2008年9月10日 14:50
To: Jeff Rowland Design Group
Subject: RE: questions on M102 bi-amp set-up with Cap ... [/quote]

Jeff Rowland先生，親自回信：

親愛的布L：

你好，雖然你的兩個問題都很港，但是我還是要回答你，因爲你買了我最便宜的作品。

1，你儅我剛度啊？！我會去推薦其他音響厰牌的東西？！你說的C牌，N牌我統統不用的，我用啥牌子的你想知道嗎？我不會告訴你的，除非你給我金幣。關於你說的喇叭綫，到底是該用一個牌子的還是不同牌子的，這個問題實在太港，我都不知道應該則麽回答你了。

2，你則麽一天到晚要想靠香港代理？依是納亞？！自己做，當然可以，其實我悄悄告訴你，我極其裏面很多東西都是來自中國的，他們都很好，關鍵是你會不會用。關於綫的長度，你的這個問題很好，說句實話，我都不知道，因爲我都在研究當中。

最後，我喜歡實話實説，你的周邊器材很港，最好儘快換換掉。尤其是喇叭，所以搭配出來的聲音有問題也很正常，但絕對不是JEFF ROWLAND功放的問題，雖然，對於我最便宜的作品，我的信心不如高級品這麽足，你如果真的喜歡我的作品，而新的又買不起，不如買一些二手貨，如MODEL 9，它的使用壽命很長，故障率低，不容易坏。

另外，我有一位中國上海的發燒友朋友，雖然他不用我的放大器，但是他很LL，我們經常愉快交流，他對聲音的理解和想法，尤其有一些測評文章是我很喜歡看的，但是他最近好像去了香港，很可惜不能幫你調整系統給建議了，他姓CHEUNG，不知道你是否認識，不過你可以打電話請教他：00852--6587****

謝謝。

你的  姐夫裸濫

[quote]原帖由 [i]chrisalex[/i] 于 2008-9-10 16:39 发表 [url=http://bbs.headphoneclub.com/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=1202572&ptid=111945][img]http://bbs.headphoneclub.com/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]


Jeff Rowland先生，親自回信：

親愛的布L：

你好，雖然你的兩個問題都很港，但是我還是要回答你，因爲你買了我最便宜的作品。

1，你儅我剛度啊？！我會去推薦其他音響厰牌的東西？！你說的C牌，N牌我統 ... [/quote]

CN!
校长
美文
名扬
海外
实在
可喜
可贺！

[[i] 本帖最后由 reedliao 于 2008-9-10 16:48 编辑 [/i]]

[quote]原帖由 [i]chrisalex[/i] 于 2008-9-10 16:39 发表 [url=http://bbs.headphoneclub.com/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=1202572&ptid=111945][img]http://bbs.headphoneclub.com/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]


Jeff Rowland先生，親自回信：

親愛的布L：

你好，雖然你的兩個問題都很港，但是我還是要回答你，因爲你買了我最便宜的作品。

1，你儅我剛度啊？！我會去推薦其他音響厰牌的東西？！你說的C牌，N牌我統 ... [/quote]

册那，LL啊！

雕虫小技不值一提;P