查看完整版本: E888SP 、CD3000 、R10

Roots 2002-2-22 07:11

E888SP 、CD3000 、R10

听了几天的CD3000,感觉还是很满意的,于是就开始想像R10如何了,呵呵!<P>昨晚夜深时,将CD3000放回包装盒后,忽而又想听听音乐了,懒得拿CD3000,于是将手边的E888SP接上, 将就一下了,但一听念出“江河水”之时,吃了一惊,居然跟CD3000极相似,振作精神听下去,发现还只是神似,二胡那清晰细微的琴弦摩擦感模糊了不少,后来总的感觉是:
E888SP差不多达到CD3000的80%,在听音的某些瞬间,甚至难以分辨两者的区别,但绝大多数时间,还是明显有分别的,CD3000无论在低中高频、两极延伸、透明度、清晰度、分析力、声场重现、定位,还是临场感、包围感,舒适度上都明显高过E888SP一筹。<P>但同是Sony出品,音色还是相近的,只是E888SP模糊些,故给个小小的建议:哪位想了解CD3000音质的,可以先听听E888SP,然后在脑子里想像一下,将低中高频、两极延伸、透明度、清晰度、分析力、声场重现、定位、临场感、包围感,舒适度等各种感觉都提升一个档次,就差不多是CD3000的水准了,呵呵!个人意见!<P>最后还有个想法:E888SP与CD3000的价格相差约7倍,音质相差(个人觉得)20%,而CD3000与R10的价格相差也约是7倍,不知音质相差有没有20%?有点怀疑,呵呵!总觉得CD3000已是水准极高,目前相配的器材远远不足以发挥其实力,不知完全发挥出来会是如何?R10又是如何?<P>原来对比R10和CD3000的资料,个人觉得R10只是贵在材质上,以及研发成本及Sony的产品定位上,觉得音质上可能相差无几,毕竟技术相同,<P>HeadWize上有人也说CD3000配上贵的耳放(忘了对不对!)应该比R10配上便宜的耳放要强!呵呵!<P>但后来听说R10基本上公认为最佳动圈耳机,在RS1之上,而RS1似乎又比CD3000强点,那看来R10与CD3000还是有明显差距的,不知有没有道理!呵呵!<P>以上基本只谈Sony的,别的牌子的耳机只是简单听过HD600,不敢多说!呵呵!<P>请各位版主及高人随便谈谈!如有谬误请不吝指点一二,谢谢!

南开米饭 2002-2-22 07:19


去年有个帖子上我说过,
CD1700=SUPER888
CD3000=SUPERSUPER888
然后小白又加了一句
R10=ULTIMATE888

小白 2002-2-22 07:28

R10这种耳机太恐怖了,实在难以想象。RS1贵到5000元,还属于可以想象的,但R10贵到20000元,就超出我的想象范围了。耳机没理由卖那么贵!
国外的评价,R10的风格与CD3000是不一样的,似乎与CD1700更接近一点。当然只是说风格,不是说水准。

南开米饭 2002-2-22 07:35

白版的影响越来越大了,甚至还被老外崇拜的紧。<P>对了,我下午在洋人坛子上说,你有个8P比T2A还牛不少,然后就有老美问你的地址和联系方式什么的。以后大门可要锁好,小心美国来的飞贼,呵呵。

小白 2002-2-22 07:40

是吗?我得去瞧瞧。是head-fi吗?

南开米饭 2002-2-22 07:43

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="宋体">引用:</font><HR>发起人 小白:
<B>是吗?我得去瞧瞧。是head-fi吗?</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
没错<P>

2001 2002-2-22 07:54

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="宋体">引用:</font><HR>发起人 南开米饭:
<B>
去年有个帖子上我说过,
CD1700=SUPER888
CD3000=SUPERSUPER888
然后小白又加了一句
R10=ULTIMATE888</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>
是你说的???

小白 2002-2-22 08:04

我刚又回了一个帖子,向老外们吹8P的。

iLLogiCo 2002-2-22 09:01

好!宣扬国货.下面全文引用
===================================
About Yeli & his 8P
I am back.
Yes currently I use two headphone amps, Headroom Maxed Home and Yeli 8P. Yeli is a renowned Hi-fi designer specializing in tube amps living in Beijing. It is a pity he has no interest whatsoever in commercializing his products. Apart from his many pre-amps and power amps, he designed 3 headphone amps, and he labelled them T28, T26 and 8P, the top model. The design of 8P is, IMO, extravagant and hi-end to the extreme. I have yet to see another headphone amp that uses 12 tubes as the output stage! Yes, 12 Mullard EL91&#39s. And he used the best caps, resistors and the best ALPS volumn knob. For internal wiring he used teflon silver cable all the way. If this was a commercial product, I would have to be a rich man to be a proud owner!
Yeli made 5 or 6 8P&#39s in total and sold them to friends in China. Before making 8P, he always made sure the user had at least a US$1,000 source to match up his hi-end amp.
I don&#39t know how people living outside China can get hold of Yeli to make 8Ps, because as I said he shows zero interest in being a businessman and making a living by selling his amps.
I don&#39t want to tantalize anybody here by presenting a raving review of 8P. But one word, believe me, 8P is the best headphone amp I ever heard. It is definitely better than Wugang T2A, Opera Cyber 20, better in some way than Headroom Maxed Home, and much better than the headphone jack of my DENON CD player. It is absolutely neutral, detailed, full, and smooth. And due to the 12-tube output, it is able to drive low impedance headphones such as RS1 and AT W100.
Well, if you are serious about Yeli 8P, let me know and I am more than happy to be help.<P>

iLLogiCo 2002-2-22 09:08

毕竟耳机的音域要比耳塞宽的多,
要是大家都可以做在沙发上想888成CD3000
那我就想805是4040!!!!!!

izzard 2002-2-22 09:11

白版最好再给老外一些8p的内部,外部照片,保证让他们口水留尽<img src="http://www.jddsy.com/nubb/non/smilies/supergrin.gif">

Roots 2002-2-22 09:37

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="宋体">引用:</font><HR>发起人 南开米饭:
<B>
去年有个帖子上我说过,
CD1700=SUPER888
CD3000=SUPERSUPER888
然后小白又加了一句
R10=ULTIMATE888</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>太贴切了!佩服!<P>PS.白版主在head-fi上的ID是什么?也好瞻仰高论!呵呵!<P>

Roots 2002-2-22 10:36

原来叶立8P才五六个,还需要八千以上的音源,白版主能拥有其一真是幸运!呵呵!<P>请问叶立8P能配低阻的RS-1、WT100,那推才32欧的CD3000如何!<P>CD3000配怎样的amp比较合适?听感能提高多少?请指教!

iLLogiCo 2002-2-22 10:41

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="宋体">引用:</font><HR>发起人 Roots:
<B>原来叶立8P才五六个,还需要八千以上的音源,白版主能拥有其一真是幸运!呵呵!
请问叶立8P能配低阻的RS-1、WT100,那推才32欧的CD3000如何!
CD3000配怎样的amp比较合适?听感能提高多少?请指教!</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>何不直接问问老叶同志.<P>

iLLogiCo 2002-2-22 10:47

  <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="宋体">引用:</font><HR>发起人 izzard:
<B>白版最好再给老外一些8p的内部,外部照片,保证让他们口水留尽<img src="http://www.jddsy.com/nubb/non/smilies/supergrin.gif"></B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>刚才去 Amps & Source Components 看了看,
发现外国人对中国能有 T2A 8P这样的耳房很是惊讶,而且对我们国内的价格很是眼馋.
看来老外对中国还真是不了解,怪不得有不少老外还认为中国人是还带着斗笠,拉着洋车满街跑的.....这是令人伤心..........
<img src="http://www.jddsy.com/nubb/non/smilies/biggrin.gif">所以我怀疑 solomon这样的在老外眼里不是留着小辫的地主富农,就是穿着中山装的民族资本家.......<img src="http://www.jddsy.com/nubb/non/smilies/supergrin.gif"> <img src="http://www.jddsy.com/nubb/non/smilies/supergrin.gif"><p>[被 iLLogiCo 编辑过(日期 02-22-2002)]

Roots 2002-2-22 10:48

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="宋体">引用:</font><HR>发起人 iLLogiCo:
<B> 何不直接问问老叶同志.<P></B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>叶老如何联系?<P>

iLLogiCo 2002-2-22 11:01

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="宋体">引用:</font><HR>发起人 Roots:
<B> 叶老如何联系?
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
我本来想见叶老的,可是后来等不及了错失了一次良机
问问 白白,izzzzzzz 这些家伙会梆你的.<P>

oldman 2002-2-23 02:40

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="宋体">引用:</font><HR>发起人 iLLogiCo:
<B>  刚才去 Amps & Source Components 看了看,
发现外国人对中国能有 T2A 8P这样的耳房很是惊讶,而且对我们国内的价格很是眼馋.
看来老外对中国还真是不了解,怪不得有不少老外还认为中国人是还带着斗笠,拉着洋车满街跑的.....这是令人伤心..........
<img src="http://www.jddsy.com/nubb/non/smilies/biggrin.gif">所以我怀疑 solomon这样的在老外眼里不是留着小辫的地主富农,就是穿着中山装的民族资本家.......<img src="http://www.jddsy.com/nubb/non/smilies/supergrin.gif"> <img src="http://www.jddsy.com/nubb/non/smilies/supergrin.gif"><P>[被 iLLogiCo 编辑过(日期 02-22-2002)]</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>
这里还有很多老外以为中国90%的人会武术,就象那个狗P窝虎藏龙里那样.

oldman 2002-2-23 02:47

对了上次还有人贴了一个山灵的蛋CD,也搞的那里口水流了一坛子.

oldman 2002-2-23 02:57

还有,对版主有点建议,希望以后透露月收入状况时也应该学学国内新闻报GDP那样,吹大点,免得老外将来到中国来开厂时把底都探到了,多没劲.

电视 2002-2-23 03:01

年薪百万美圆?
8P买2.99万美圆,TA26 4999.99美元,TA28 1999.99美元(ON SALE!)。

Roots 2002-2-23 08:42

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="宋体">引用:</font><HR>发起人 电视:
<B>年薪百万美圆?
8P买2.99万美圆,TA26 4999.99美元,TA28 1999.99美元(ON SALE!)。</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>有见地,还应该将美元汇率跟国家脱钩,实现自由浮动!呵呵!<P>

Roots 2002-2-23 08:49

哇!看到Soloman版主贴的叶立8p的三张图片了,the Best headphone amp from China ,馋死老外了!呵呵!
<A HREF="http://www.head-fi.org/forums/showthread.php?s=a476b6cd48515735c4fb0ff7b502efc8&threadid=8220&highlight=yeli8p" TARGET=_blank>http://www.head-fi.org/forums/showthread.php?s=a476b6cd48515735c4fb0ff7b502efc8&threadid=8220&highlight=yeli8p</A>

Roots 2002-2-23 08:49

哇!看到Solomon版主贴的叶立8p的三张图片了,the Best headphone amp from China ,馋死老外了!呵呵!
<A HREF="http://www.head-fi.org/forums/showthread.php?s=a476b6cd48515735c4fb0ff7b502efc8&threadid=8220&highlight=yeli8p" TARGET=_blank>http://www.head-fi.org/forums/showthread.php?s=a476b6cd48515735c4fb0ff7b502efc8&threadid=8220&highlight=yeli8p</A>

电视 2002-2-23 11:11

外国人都比较直的,没有咱们这么多花花肠子,给老外发两台TA26玩玩就成啦,8P咱们自己留着,让他们眼气吧。

iLLogiCo 2002-2-23 11:25

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="宋体">引用:</font><HR>发起人 电视:
<B>外国人都比较直的,没有咱们这么多花花肠子,给老外发两台TA26玩玩就成啦,8P咱们自己留着,让他们眼气吧。</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>旋!!保不齐那个"好奇心比较强的"老外把26,8P拆下来研究研究,然后clone再.......如果拆好了也罢,就怕拆了又装不回去,结果把一堆散件又给寄了回来..........尤其小心日本人.....还有......
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