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今天去了趟海印，分别聆听了一番931，兴奋不已，不吐不快。森海580和拜亚

首先声明，不能说“比较”，原因有三：<P>1、二者价位不同，本不属同一档次。<P>2、更重要的是“比较”的前提是其他条件相同，此次分别“聆听”时二者条件并不尽相同，出售森海的店里，无有放大设备，只有一个CEC（恕我孤陋寡闻：不知是何品牌）的据说是“两千元”价位的CD；而拜亚不仅有“专业”调音台充分展现其优势以加深本人的印象，而且其YAMAHA的CD虽不为本人所好，但据说价位以升至“三千元”。<P>3、海印那里草草嚷嚷的环境对封闭式的拜亚有利，但地处马路边的拜亚那里实在太吵了，怎么封闭也难以凑效。<P>好了，言归正传。今天共聆听了三段音乐：“民歌蔡琴—出塞曲”、窦君怡“梁祝”、及“引进版”的卡雷拉斯的“图兰朵—今夜无人入睡”。<P>首先是用580听的蔡琴和卡雷拉斯，总的印象是，全音域比较均衡，声音比我那套明显偏暗的国产胆机组合（原创A9+欧博100S+杰作唯美一号）爽朗明亮了许多，说提升了一个档次应不为过（但久听之下也不免有点怀疑：是不是过了点），后来听小提琴时的感觉却大出我所料：实在只能说是一塌糊涂，那充满粗糙的数码颗粒的“音乐”还不如昔日那些劣质的组合音响（老板娘连忙说CD只有2000多元云云，姑且信之），原本想再听听600的，一下子感到有些不耐烦：还是先听听931再说吧。<P>带上931，同样是一首“出塞曲”，刚一出声，我不禁惊呆了：世间竟有如此美妙的音乐。一曲终了，我已被蔡琴那委婉的歌声中涌动的激情深深地感动，久久不能自已。听卡雷拉斯，声音饱满，也比较激动人心。再听“梁祝”：原来这张新买的唱片不是假货，是小提琴演奏的。不过其略显粗糙的小提琴声比我那充满质感胆机组合还是有不小的差距（国产音响：自豪吧）。继续听到第二乐章前半部分，那种比较“火暴”场面已经让我感到非常过瘾：在我的斗室里听胆机时从来就没敢抱此奢望。但这还不能说是一种临场感，也不是像一些网友所说的“就像置身于舞台上乐队中间痛心”一样。总有些不真实的感觉，大概应该是耳机固有的缺憾吧。继续说小提琴，听到二人楼台相会时，不知是不是与演奏有关，那段凄婉的琴声总不如用我的胆机组合听俞丽拿时来得有震撼力。<P>为了公平起见，也为了检验不用耳放的效果，特意去下调音台，用CD的直接驱动931，听蔡琴和梁祝，因该说声音的饱满度还是有一定的差距，特别是蔡琴。但差距似乎没有931与580之间的那么大。<P>对了，没有说到解析力，我到现在也不知道这些耳机的解析力如何，因为在海印那里听音，我自己耳朵的“解析力”太低了，实在不好意思。<P>听完已无心回去再听600了：一来忙了半天，太累了；二来931太合我意，只想尽快距为己有。不收信用卡？没关系；飞奔来到银行，5:35分，刚下班，难不倒我；当ATM拒绝为外地的信用卡付款时，彻底傻了眼。真扫兴，回到店里，早有mm送上一杯温开水，老板连忙安慰：下次再来吧。还能怎么办呢。
总结：
映像1：580与931不成其为对手（不用功放）；
映像2：931不用功放问题似乎不大，580就不得而知了；
结论3：我认为唯一可以定论的只有一条，就是器材价位相当的情况下，对音质影响最大的因素是什么？请闭上眼，想一想，再看楼下的帖子。

其实不是卖关子，实在是一个帖子罗嗦的太多了，怕大家睡着了。<P>结论是：软件！请大家用Z版吧，如果舍得花5000元以上买器材的话。<P>要知道卖931的那里的D版试音盘，差点让我打消考虑拜亚的念头：同样是蔡琴，嘟嘟囔囔在念叨些什么呀。<P>但理智和一段小小的经验挽救了我和931的姻缘：虽不能人云亦云，高档耳机音质也不至于此吧。<P>记得我刚把初恋情人——那套胆机组合接到家里，美孜孜的听了几天，突发奇想：都说耳机和模拟声的音质那么好，何不拿我眼前这套渴望已久“发烧级”组合与不经意间购得的爱华廉价磁带随身听比较一下。结果差点没让我背过气去。听耳塞里原版苏芮“沉默的母亲”那激情澎湃的声音仿佛看到了她那噙着热泪、既痛心又无可奈何的表情呖呖在目。而“发烧”音响里苏芮的声音不仅单薄、粗糙，而且平淡得像那种不温也不晾的白开水。<P>幸亏接下来听克来德曼的钢琴，好歹让“发烧”器材扳回一分，才让我脸上一阵发麻——大概是由白变红了。
当然，很快就发现除CD固有的缺陷外，主要“罪魁祸首”还是我那几张“引进版”的劣质盘。这不赶紧买了几张正规公司的Z版盘一听，果不其然，不是拜亚的错，都是D版若的祸。<P>

叶兄如果喜欢你的东西，大可不必伤心。自己喜欢的才是最好的。
另外，931与580好几百元差价也是摆着的，有机会一定要再听听600和831，对了还有SR-325、AKG501、STAX202、303

有理有理，因为买个耳放真的好麻烦，连放的地方都没有。<P>可能我的V600真的是因为二手货太“垃圾”，除了V600的人声更暖一些，各方面都是hd580更出彩：高音清晰度和延伸高度、低音深度和力度、解析力、声场宽度、听音乐的舒适性等。<P>不过感觉hd580还是紧了些，尤其是躺在床上听时，需要习惯好一会儿才行。<P>

我怀疑yxiao兄的立论，我从headwize转一贴。
Topic:   Comparison of DT990, DT831, DT931, HD600
Two days ago I got my first delivery from Beyerdynamic and thought this to be a good occasion to test and compare the various headphones at my disposal.
The candidates:<P>Beyerdynamic DT990: My 12-year old classic. Still in good shape and recently refurbished by giving them new ear-pads.
Beyerdynamic DT831: By many considered one of the best closed headphone systems.
Beyerdynamic DT931: Beyerdynamic&#39s top-of-the-line open headphone.
Sennheiser HD600: No introduction needed.
Sennheiser HD600 modified: I added a RC-network to dampen high frequency noise and changed the cable by another one, home-made from an Alcatel double shielded coaxial audio-cable.<P>Equipment:
CD-Player: A heavily modified Marantz CD72-MkII SE
Filter: CORDA ANALOGUER-1
Headamp: CORDA HEADAMP-1
Interlinks: home-made from Belden cable<P>CONSTRUCTION QUALITY AND TOUCH:<P>DT990: These headphones still feel remarkably well for their age. They provide good confidence in the durability of the Beyerdynamic devices. Note: this is the old version with plastic headband and a size-adjustment mechanism similar to that of the DT831/931. More recent versions of the DT990 have a metal band with a different mechanism.<P>DT831: Ai, these come in a rather flimsy and cheap box. Not a very good first impression. However, the headphones feel good and sturdy, a little bit too much plastic feeling maybe. They look cool; black head band, gray-bluish earcups and silver-gray paddings give them slightly agressive appearance. Clear color markings for left/right and a nice, relatively thick coiled cord. Very good finishing.<P>DT931: The same flimsy box. They look and feel very similar to the 831. The earcups are a little bit darker and the lookings are a little bit less agressive. Some might even find them a little bit boring.<P>HD600: A very noble box, made from high quality cardboard and with a shaped foam inside makes a splendid first impression. The headphones look distinguished too and show a noble kind of elegance. Superior finishing but the cord feels flimsy. I know that it won&#39t break (it has a kevlar reinforcement inside) but this cord clearly has been optimized for comfort and flexibility. It makes you feel sceptic about sound quality.<P>HD600 modified: Same as the HD600 but the Alcatel cable is relatively thick and stiff.<P>COMFORT:<P>DT990: Light weight, low mechanical pressure and large O-shaped paddings make them extremely comfortable to wear. Like all Beyerdynamic models the coiled cord prevents cable-salat but if you need a longer cable length it exerts a light tension.<P>DT831/DT931: These headphones are a little bit more heavy and clumsy then the other models but thanks to the large paddings still very comfortable to wear. As mentioned before the coiled cord exerts some tension if stretched.<P>HD600: Although it doesn&#39t look so, this headphone is a real light-weight. However, the relatively small oval-shaped paddings do touch my earcups and the pressure exerted by the headphones is a little bit high, resulting in a tight fit. Comfortable, but I personally prefer the DT831/DT931. People with smaller heads/ears, however, might prefer the Sennheiser.<P>SOUNDQUALITY<P>Before testing all new headphones were "treated" for 12 hours with a special burn-in CD-track.<P>I used different CD&#39s, each to check specific aspects of sound-reproduction.<P>The first track used was by Christy Barton singing her version of "I ain&#39t no sunshine in my life". A wonderfull Chesky recording on which she is accompanied by acoustic bass only. Both musicians shape and color every note with very fine nuances that are very difficult to reproduce:<P>The DT990 clearly has its difficulties to reproduce these nuances. The acoustic bass sounds flat and dull. The smokey voice of Barton has a veile and the soundstage is very distant. It&#39s a warm but somehow muddy sound. Not very detailed but comfortable to listen to.<P>The DT831/DT931 both sound surprizingly similar. Basses do not go very deep but are very tight with a clear stop-and-go. Every nuance of the acoustic bass can be followed with ease. The voice of the singerin sounds a little bit bright though. Not irritating but it&#39s just a little bit too much.<P>The HD600 sounds very comfortable. Deep basses and a slightly retained treble result in a warm sound. However, basses are not very tight. There is no clear stop-and-go when the bassist strikes his strings and color-shading of the low tones is not very distinct. The mid-range is beautifull though; relaxed and silky.<P>The modified version of the HD600 sounds better. Basses are better articulated and the treble is a little bit more clean. The overall character of the headphones does not change much, though.<P>The second track was the third movement of the ninth symphony of Dvorak, played by the Vienna Philharmonic under Kondrashin. This is a warm and glorious recording with a complex soundstage.<P>With orchestral music the DT990 sounded distant. Single instruments were not well seperated and dynamicity was missing.<P>The other Beyerdynamic models did a much better job. Both the DT831 and the DT931 produced a bright dynamic sound with the DT931 having a slightly better soundstage and basses. Both headphones sound very similar and I wonder whether they have the same drivers.<P>Again, the HD600 produced a comfortable sound. Warm but with good detail. Soundstage appears a little bit flat and distant compared to the DT831/DT931. The Beyers are also a tad more dynamic.<P>Nearly every Pop-fan will have a copy of "Brothers in Arms". This recording of the Dire Straits is a modern classic with a very clean sound. "Ride across the river" is a very good track to test transient responses. Those guitar-strokes are not very easy to be reproduced properly.<P>By this time I decided to drop the DT990. I don&#39t know how modern versions of this classic headphone sound, but my old copy simply runs too far behind his modern rivals to be competitive.<P>Both the DT831 and the DT931 showed a very fast attack. Guitar strokes came sharp and well defined. The sound was a little too bright for my tast but dynamicity was very good. The DT831 sounded slightly colored and soundstage was also a little bit less open than that of the DT931.<P>In comparison the attacks on the HD600 are much slower. Sound is more relaxed and the bass digs deeper but in the whole some drive was missing.<P>The last test was the beautifull voice of Cecilia Bartoli. The "Live in Italy" recording of this soprano, accompanied by baroque orchestra puts high demands on the upper regions.<P>The DT831 and DT931 now showed their limitations. Both headcans are simply too bright to reproduce this music in a comfortable way. The HD600 simply sounded beautifull, giving every nuance with an unmatched eloquence.<P>So what are the results:<P>The DT990 does not betray its age. It is not a bad headphone but compared to the other systems it is a muddy and veiled<P>Both the DT831 and DT931 reproduce rather similar. The DT931 is a tad less colored and provides a more expansive soundstage. Both headphones are bright which can be nerving with some kinds of music. Bass doesn&#39t dig very deep but it is very well defined and very tight.<P>The HD600 has a noble sound. A little bit laid back. Beautifull mids but the bass, although going very deep, is a little bit muddy. <P>Is this the end of the story?<P>No, it isn&#39t!<P>My CORDA Headphone amplifier has two headphone jackets. One with a low output impedance and one with an 120 Ohm impedance. For the review I used the low impedance jacket since I knew by experience that this one produced the best results with the DT990 and the HD600. A low output impedance results in a higher damping factor and thereby in a better control of the amplifier over the headphone action.<P>However, in accordance with international audio-norms, many headphones are sonically designed to work at a jacket with a 120 Ohm impedance. An increased output impedance generally increases the bass response but also makes them more muddy.<P>In order to be fair, I decided also to listen to the DT931 through the 120 Ohm jacket. I put in the Christy Barton CD again and guess what happens. Suddenly my feet started to move just by themselves!!<P>Gone was that brightness that nerved me. The bass went much deeper (although not as deep as that of the HD600) but without becoming loose. Dynamicity? Well, simply a class better than the Sennheiser. Despite several previous hours of intense listening I felt an immediate urge to start dancing.<P>I run through all the aforementioned CD&#39s again. Dvorak sounded spacious and glowing. The guitars of the Dire Straits sounded sharp as a razor&#39s edge without nerving. Cecilia&#39s voice simply was heavenly. I spend another half of hour just listening to this single headphone. Half an hour of pure joy :-)<P>To me it appears that, in contrast to many other headphones, the DT931 really was designed to work at an 120 Ohm output impedance. The increased impedance value makes them sound much better and, believe it or not, to my ears they now simply outclass the HD600.<P>One should expect the DT831 to show some similar effects. This is true but to a much lower degree. They still kept some of their brightness and the bass did not extend as far as that of the DT931.<P>Still, these headphones are very agreeable, especially if you do not want to disturb your roommates or don&#39t want to be disturbed by a noisy environment noise. They do not completely block outside noise, but they allow you to listen at a much more acceptable level, thus reducing the risk of long-term ear damage.<P>My conclusions:<P>The DT990 is a classic design that can not keep up with modern standards.<P>The HD600 is a noble looking and sounding headphone for people that prefer a more distant and laid-back presentation. Improvement in sound can be obtained by using a better cable and RC-termination.<P>The DT831 is the optimal solution for family-fathers (and mothers of course :-)<P>The DT931 is my favourite, especially when driven by a jacket with an increased output impedance. I only ordered one specimen but I have to get some others, since this one will not leave my house. I&#39m now bothered by the question how to open these cans. Simply want to know what an audiophile cable and RC-termination will do. But that&#39s another story.<P>Happy listenings,<P>Jan

再一贴。
I own a DT990 for over 10 ten years now, and always have been very pleased by it. Nice, warm sound and extremely comfortable. A few months ago I bought myself a HD600 by mailorder. When I tried it at first I was rather disappointed. Compared to the DT990 it sounded a little bit shallow and lacked bass. However, I put the Beyerdynamic aside and only used the Sennheiser for two months.
It just happened that I compared the two systems again last week. The Sennheiser showed to have improven considerably and now surpasses the Beyerdynamic in every discipline. More balanced sound, tighter bass. Simply superb.
The DT990 is very good but, after a break-in, the Sennheiser sets the standard. They are, however, a little less comfortable.

耳机到了这个档次，口味占了很重要的地位。说HD580好于DT831或反过来，都会有人同意有人反对。外国人的话也证明不了什么。HEADWIZE论坛上高手固然也有，但我的感觉是良莠不齐，严重不齐，而且外国人的口味也相差特大。我个人偏爱拜亚动力多点，因为其声音较真实少修饰，森的高级耳机都有少许柔化性的修饰（当然总体上还是中性的）。

各位买DT931有福气了，再告诉大家一个好消息！所有的耳机已经于今天从德国发出了，预计1到2周入境！XIXI^_^！

盗版CD确实不能用来评价耳机，特别是高级耳机。由于高级耳机分析力高，听盗版或低档音源时，把音质的缺陷都暴露无遗了。

贴两篇文章，只是想说明：一、HD600和DT931相差不是很远，yxiao兄有夸大之嫌了；二、只有通过一个长时间的煲机后，再配合合适的器材才能体现其真实表现。
事实上，我也在考虑选择哪款耳机。在此想请教各位老师，哪一款耳机最符合监听标准？有绝对的中性和平衡。DT931? HD600? 325? 还是501? 或其他？

这位yxiao老兄说得我好“伤心”，刚买了hd580，还没从它给我的diskman和fm radio（当然不用功放了）带来的"音质明显提高了一个档次"中冷静过来呢，你居然也说“580与931不成其为对手（不用功放）”：（<P>不过。。。暂时我也知足了~~~~

我强调一下，这只是我当时的主观映象。又是那样的条件。<P>另外，我的931已经买回来了，正褒着呢。也许时间长了，我会谈一些更冷静的看法。<P>931最令我喜欢的一点就是我有时会忘了它的存在（831应该也会吧？），580不会，因为我一直在听着由它发出的优美的声音.

我觉得拜亚的风格很“谦虚”、很平淡，很少修饰，580个性好象还是要强一些，要说修饰，580在中高到高频部分好象有点突出，不太严重，但当时好象还是注意到了，总而言之，森海好象不甘做无名英雄。其实拜亚可能也不愿意，但我过多的迷恋我的音乐而忽略了他。<P>对了，931是开放式的，当时只顾听音乐，根本没有去看去想太多。因为记得网友说831是封闭的，也就相当然了，不好意思。怨不得当时马路边的吵闹声那么厉害。

931是封闭得吧？？？？

对，我觉得是封闭的（就那几个小孔，中等音量内外都不能互相听见的）。
HD600就应该是开发式的了。

yxiao兄，你的“931最令我喜欢的一点就是我有时会忘了它的存在（831应该也会吧？），580不会，因为我一直在听着由它发出的优美的声音.”说的很好，能否说仔细点？<P>为什么会有这种感觉，是因为580修饰美化成分太重了吗？还是因为580耳罩太紧？我也觉得听音乐最好的时候就是“忘了它的存在”。关于这一点对于耳塞我倒是有点感触，mdr-e888最好，mdr-e868美化成分就比较重，那些有明显缺陷的就不说了。<P>

DT931算开放式耳机。

DT931的确是开放式的，声音也的确很棒，但外观我觉得还比不上DT911等老款，可能是德国人理解的时尚吧。

今天我也去了趟海印,只找到一家有森海耳机的铺,请yxiao兄告诉我你试听的店在哪儿?

星之光对面马路边，成名音响行卖DT931。另外从成名出来往左走，有一排与海印总汇二场平行的店面，门前比较开阔的，那里有两家卖耳机的店子（包括粤海），几个牌子都有，可惜是后来发现的。<p>[被 yxiao 编辑过（日期 03-31-2001）]