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作者: oathkeeper 时间: 2023-8-21 04:40
标题: 有朋友玩过ensemble瑞宝的音箱吗? 预算10万求推介前级, 后级, 或是合并

数年前购入了ensemble 瑞宝的primadonna gold座地音箱
那时候买了金嗓子a30 , 然后升级到a70
结论是: a30稍微没法推得好, a70可以所有指数都推到满意
但那时退烧加生活需要钱, 所以出掉了a70, 然后留了便宜的a30 偶尔听听。
最近又重玩hifi了,

我的前级是linn kk ,

预算10万, 主力听女声, 流行, 想要女声感人, 人声细节爆炸, 但最好又要有些场面感, 乐队分离, 低频不用沉太多太轰头

我也在网上查了很久很久资料了, 因为音箱年代久远, 所以推介的都是
goldmund 9 (取其高中频好听, 低频够弹, 控制力好, 高贵声)
jadis 胆机, (人声)
krell ksa50 (取其大力兼人声不会太粗)

我再仔细想想后, 觉得goldmund 就算是29m 都已经是20,30年的老后级了, 加上知道goldmund必须加个很好的goldmund前级, 才能有那种顶级的瑞士声, 所以不考虑了。
然后有找过job500 job250 这些goldmund副厂, 有人说烧毁了他的小情人, 我是真的很怕这种事, 加上很老了, 又不考虑
krell 又是老的东西状态不好说

朋友就是推介, 贵丰的diablo300。
我自己就是看上了accuphase a75 但感觉前级也是时候换了
有什么前级, 后级, 或是合并大家推介给瑞宝音箱?

作者: oathkeeper 时间: 2023-8-21 04:53
忘了说, 房间长3米深7米我音箱离后墙50cm , 我人常在近场离后墙150-200cm听歌

作者: zenzenzen 时间: 2023-8-21 06:38
Jadis

作者: 路易的欧罗巴 时间: 2023-8-21 07:14

zenzenzen 发表于 2023-8-20 23:38
Jadis

4欧的音箱需要大电流输出能力，所以只可能是晶体管机。
古董年代音箱都是高阻抗设计，因为当年只有高电平但无大电流输出能力的电子管功放。

高文会烧音箱是因为其采用了一种高保真的设计，DC直连耦合线路，信号电路上没有电容。没有充电放电的延时，和对低频信号衰减的问题。
该线路的mosfet版本由job团队开发完成。
几乎所有hiend高价晶体管机都使用这种，或号称使用这种线路。柏林 mbl krell 马克，ICOS，Prodisc，奔马，fm，CH，登峰，audio domain等等。
但DC线路需要一个成熟的私服监控线路。可能问题出在这，也可能是小情人的业余设计，阻抗变化太大。
世霸大情人一直有这个问题。功放杀手。
可能是线路，导致job如今被高文砍掉。
本来是变现的一个好渠道。

欧洲知名媒体之前解释，其实DC并不会放大直流电，而是让其通过，而系统的直流电来自设计错误的音源 CD 胆机前级。

作者: 路易的欧罗巴 时间: 2023-8-21 07:19
之前金嗓子也是DC direct coupling的应用者。在早前海报上一直大力宣传自己是DC设计。但后来，在某一款型号后，开始偷工减料也好，理念改变也好，失去了这种设计，声音也大幅改变。

证据在此。 (, 下载次数: 100)

作者: 路易的欧罗巴 时间: 2023-8-21 07:30

路易的欧罗巴发表于 2023-8-21 00:19
之前金嗓子也是DC direct coupling的应用者。在早前海报上一直大力宣传自己是DC设计。但后来，在某一款型号 ...

说是c290后，优秀的DC线路不再。那沦为平庸就很正常了。

真正的DC线路，线路特别简介，零部件成本特别地，但难在DC私服等其他方面。

DC的优势是瞬态响应时间更短，（没有电容所需的充电放电时间延迟，低频量感无过滤，高低频之间无时差。

电路特别复杂，很可能不是Dc，在输入和输出有电容，也不是DC。
声音慢，肯定不是DC。

即使都是DC线路，也有高低之分。
世界上瞬态时间最短，最快还50年来都安全，失真最低整机任何状态下，20-20000赫兹，任何功率下，失真都低于0.03% 的功放，是法国ICOS。

icos.europa-audio.com

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作者: zenzenzen 时间: 2023-8-21 07:48

路易的欧罗巴发表于 2023-8-21 07:19
之前金嗓子也是DC direct coupling的应用者。在早前海报上一直大力宣传自己是DC设计。但后来，在某一款型号 ...

作者: 22659784 时间: 2023-8-21 08:57
本帖最后由 22659784 于 2023-8-21 09:05 编辑

用瑞寶的箱子就用瑞寶的功放吧,先不說瑞寶的聲音是否完整,但這麼多年來我接觸到玩瑞寶的人都是一套的搭配才最對路

原來全XX套,這兩個字是違禁詞.......不知道半XX套算不算

作者: 天方夜谭天说地 时间: 2023-8-21 12:05
先搞个c3800前级

作者: 音乐等于力量 时间: 2023-8-21 12:46
本帖最后由音乐等于力量于 2023-8-21 12:49 编辑

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作者: wwwping2011 时间: 2023-8-21 16:07
linn 前级，有哪些不满意呢？谢谢！

作者: oathkeeper 时间: 2023-8-21 20:18

wwwping2011 发表于 2023-8-21 16:07
linn 前级，有哪些不满意呢？谢谢！

其實沒什麼不滿意, 我主要在找後級, linn前能不換就不換

作者: oathkeeper 时间: 2023-8-21 20:19
現在想等accuphase出新一代a75, 然後去日本買算了

作者: kangqiao979 时间: 2023-8-21 20:22
primadonna gold不折腾的话听音乐一辈子不用换

作者: 22659784 时间: 2023-8-22 09:36
本帖最后由 22659784 于 2023-8-22 09:40 编辑

kangqiao979 发表于 2023-8-21 20:22
primadonna gold不折腾的话听音乐一辈子不用换

我一個堅定玩瑞寶的朋友,在接觸Altec後告訴我,Altec才是能玩一輩子的東西,當然我也相信他,只是我家放不下15吋的箱,不然我也換了
喔,他好像把他的primadonna gold賣了,跟我說了好多年要收藏不賣的,最終好像還是出了.......他試過很多功放,最後還是用一台瑞寶合併機推最對味
瑞寶就是一個走偏門路子的,所以還是一套好

作者: oathkeeper 时间: 2023-8-22 13:49

22659784 发表于 2023-8-22 09:36
我一個堅定玩瑞寶的朋友,在接觸Altec後告訴我,Altec才是能玩一輩子的東西,當然我也相信他,只是我家放不下 ...

请问您的朋友试了什么后级呢? 小弟每次出去音展其实对9成的音箱都很喜欢..
但这个阶段只听听流行跟女声, 所以想把这瑞宝搞好为止, 兄弟你朋友的经验对我来讲很重要

作者: 小熊猫清清 时间: 2023-8-22 15:59
加点预算大丹合并

作者: 22659784 时间: 2023-8-22 17:04

oathkeeper 发表于 2023-8-22 13:49
请问您的朋友试了什么后级呢? 小弟每次出去音展其实对9成的音箱都很喜欢..
但这个阶段只听听流行跟女声, ...

好多年前的事了,我印象中只剩Spectral一套,其他的他說都會太過頭,Spectral也沒有瑞寶自己的好
這喇叭不能講力氣,講的是那股巧勁.......其實瑞寶的器材真不好搭配,主要是高頻那飄逸感,用點力氣大的東西進去,聲音就飄不起來,沒那種仙境的感覺了

作者: kangqiao979 时间: 2023-8-22 18:56

22659784 发表于 2023-8-22 09:36
我一個堅定玩瑞寶的朋友,在接觸Altec後告訴我,Altec才是能玩一輩子的東西,當然我也相信他,只是我家放不下 ...

primadonna gold体积还是有点大，不好收藏，要是书架的金参考或者银参考真的适合收藏

作者: steffen 时间: 2023-8-24 19:27
高頻要飄逸透明，AYRE高頻比金嗓子好很多，我早期用過AB類旗艦綜擴跟60W的AYRE AX7比起來
AQ高頻的透明度、黑背景、空氣感全大輸，後來我換AYRE K5+V5前後級用到現在
，若要推力大聲音更厚實點，停產的V1很合適，預算更夠就前旗艦MXR MONO後級

AYRE絕對不會讓ENSEMBLE高音沾染濁氣，因為我AYRE AX7就是推一代ADMINOTOR
這對自稱ENSEMBLE後繼型號，聲音是否一樣我不敢說，但高音單體跟ENSEMBLE一樣
都是丹麥Hiquphon

作者: 弦烧乐韵 时间: 2023-8-25 00:44
真实的广州玩家搭配是拉寡前后级、CD一套推，声音就无需再讲了，只要发挥出撒金粉的感觉就对路了。

作者: oathkeeper 时间: 2023-8-25 05:11

弦烧乐韵发表于 2023-8-25 00:44
真实的广州玩家搭配是拉寡前后级、CD一套推，声音就无需再讲了，只要发挥出撒金粉的感觉就对路了。

拉寡指NAGRA?

作者: 弦烧乐韵 时间: 2023-8-25 12:24

oathkeeper 发表于 2023-8-25 05:11
拉寡指NAGRA?

就是nagra。瑞宝的音箱就是适合文雅的胆机推啊。用金仔推女声可以其他都一般。当然这个一般是跟高文拉寡比没这么出色而已。

作者: aboutwind 时间: 2023-8-28 12:07
再加一台a30

作者: 都市过客 时间: 2023-9-6 11:10
去年听过，被人买走，4万出头。他用jadis 推。

当时我收集了一些信息，挑着看吧。

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我用罗兰前后级推Ensemble Primadonna Gold 应是佳配之一了

请问：哪位大侠听过老款的瑞宝Ensemble落地箱

型号：Primadonna Gold 早期版
有两个版本：早期版，导向孔在后；后期版，是长条形，在前，更易摆位。
1，请说说听感，优缺点。用啥推的？
2，中高频部分的声音与它后来的音箱，有何不同？
3，侃侃它的前世今生。该箱的技术参数有吗？哪年的产品？当时啥价？现在二手多少钱？
请大家指教！先谢！

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[Apr 23, 2019]
carl11529

STRENGTH:
Have my pair for several years. Use Esoteric RZ-1 to drive them. Emphasizing bass to get satisfactory result. Tonal purity is the major strength. The performance of string ensemble is almost unsurpassable. Forever to stay in my speakers collection, together with SF Guarneri Homage, and Electa Amator 1, and Evett & Shaw Elan.
WEAKNESS:
Not suitable for large-scale orchestral music, and heavy metal perhaps.
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[Sep 15, 2018]
bhirskyj

STRENGTH:
Very natural sound with surprising deep bass for a small unit in a big box, very good imaging. Extremely revealing, so if you are a stupid person and runs them with crap, guess what they sound crap. I used Primare 928 amps or Trilogy 990/909 EL34 amps and they sound wonderful, even better than the PA-1 Reference. If you really want trouser flapping bass, use a Velodyne DD15+ and put the signal through it and it will cut the main speakers off at 80Hz, so you have loud with big bass. Easy to position, I use them A B Out 0.5M from the back wall.
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There is a small-ish unit that can only handle so much, so not for discos with a suitable sub. Expensive, but once you hear them you will have to buy.
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[May 06, 2013]
michael wong
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i have owned Ensemble PA-1 as well as the Reference series. For many years these were my book shelf reference speakers. The high and mids were really good especially for jazz. I matched them with a pair of good sub-woofers to give it more "body". The sound was equivalent to a large speaker. A word of caution. Unlike a large speaker you cannot turn it up to full volume otherwise you damage the speakers. Music is played loud enough for the ears to listen to. They were fantastic speakers. I sold them two years ago and regretted it. I could not find a used pair at the price I expected to pay. I looked for them again for a year and found a pair of Primadona. I have yet to listen to them. I am sure that they are as good as the bookshelf speakers, if not better. OVERALL
RATING 4 ★★★★★
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[Feb 19, 2003]
Cedric Lee
AudioPhile

STRENGTH:
Full range balance...
WEAKNESS:
Not everyone likes its bass character
My system consists of JA Michell turntable, Sony SCD-1, ARC SP11 pre-amp, Manley 300B power amp and this Ensemble Primadonna. Before I bought these speakers, I know nothing A B Out them. I was just attracted by its appearance, unique design of speaker compartment. I asked the salesman whether it can be served well by my small-power 300B amp. I took a listen once he said no problem. Once it sound, I agree that it is easy to drive it well. When the music died, the mid-to-high range sounds very very good and which I never heard before. The Primadonna consists of a 1" tweeter and a 5-1/2" mid-bass driver. It seems the box size and the size of drivers are not in proportion. Many people beleive that it don't perform well in low range. However, I can gurantee it can provide a quality bass if you choose a right pair of speaker cable to it. My choice is XLO signature 5.1. Eventhought its lower range character is not punching-heart, it still can extend very very low. When I tested it, I compare it with ProAc 3.8. The outcome is Response3.8 is nothing when stand beside Primadonna, even Westlake BBSM8 with all kind of Music. The only thing cannot be comparible is low range. The bass from Primadonna sounds very unique, not in quantity, in quality. It really provides an unique, deep and ture bass range. However, if your listening area is smaller than 200 sq feet, this is your right choice.
Similar Products Used:
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RATING 5 ★★★★★
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[Oct 12, 1999]
Michael Lee
Audio Enthusiast

I owned the Ensemble Primadonna for almost two years now. If you have a mid-size room and largely listen to vocal and jazz music, this is the speaker you won't regret investing in.
I am using Sutherland A1000 and C2000 preamp, source component is Goldmund 10P and transport. OVERALL
RATING 4 ★★★★★
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[May 28, 1999]
WS
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Just had a chance to listen to the Primadonna, driven by Gryphon equipment. Source is an Ensemble CD transport.I heard the Ensemble Reference Silver a while back and were very impressed with the sound.
I had the same high hopes for the Primadonna, but the experience turned out to be a little disappointing.
Ensemble has arguably the 'most human' tonal reproduction of all speakers. The Primadonna was no different. Tone was wonderful. Voice really sounds like human voice.
However, due to its 4in woofer, the Primadonna cannot reproduce deep bass at all. I listened to Mahler no2's ending with the Primadonna and the organ sound was so soft that you could hardly pick it up.
From Mid-low bass downards, the sound is thin. Midrange and highs are pretty good, but the lower end is simply not there.
These speakers will do fine job if you are looking for mids and highs. but if you listen to large orchestral music (such as Mahler), the Primadonna won't be able to reproduce the 'scale' of such pieces. OVERALL
RATING 3 ★★★★★
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[Nov 01, 2000]
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STRENGTH:
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WEAKNESS:
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THIS SPEAKER USES A STYROFOAM COFFEE CUP FOR A MIDRANGE! IT IS AN OVERPRICED PIECE OF EURO-JUNK. NO BASS, NO DYNAMICS, NO HIGHS, NOTHING, IT SOUNDS WORSE THAN ANY BOOM BOX YOU CAN BUY AT BEST-BUY, CIRCUIT CITY, OR J&R MUSIC WORLD. DO NOT BUY THIS YOU ARE SERIOUSLY MAKING A BIG, BIG MISTAKE OVERALL
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