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隔壁开贴没啥收获,这边烧的高点,谁能告诉我阿波罗咋样?

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发表于 2007-11-15 09:21:24 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式

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年底欲入个像样的cd,二房暂时am650s,耳机暂时600+240df+831/880(二者留一或都不留)
现在打听到君子阿波罗在西安价格6900,虽然吃力但有希望扛下来,在此看看大家的建议。
对cd的要求:短时间不打算升级(就算暂时一步到位吧),故希望声音耐听,坚固耐用
还望club高人指点,在此谢过
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发表于 2007-11-15 09:29:13 | 显示全部楼层
http://auction1.taobao.com/auction/0/item_detail-0db2-61ba1940c85a4f835a3aaa109f8f9ef0.jhtml二手金嗓子 DP-60

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发表于 2007-11-15 09:52:43 | 显示全部楼层
apllo和先前的planet应该是同档次的cd了,不过这回解码改用与acam一样的wolfson 8740,估计声音和前辈有所改变。享世三明王有台planet,他应该有点使用经验。
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明月装饰了你的窗子,你装饰了别人的梦……

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发表于 2007-11-15 11:05:10 | 显示全部楼层
应该是不错的选择.
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 楼主| 发表于 2007-11-16 09:53:48 | 显示全部楼层
谢ls各位 呵呵 还是抽空去听一下吧
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我是你的话就买一套君子
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Rega Apollo CD player

Art Dudley, June, 2006


You've heard it said that the early bird catches the worm, which is all well and good if you like worms. If you're more interested in music, you might want to follow the lead of Roy Gandy instead: He's the managing director of Rega Research, a 331/3-year-old audio company that was the very last of its kind to enter the CD market. Rega's first CD player, the Planet of 1996, was a success in virtually every way.



The world has moved on since then, for better and for worse: better in the sense that digital sound has continued to improve, worse in the sense that the major corporations with the technology for making integrated digital control systems—the basic servo and data-control chipsets—have shifted their focus toward DVD and away from the humble music-only compact disc. That state of affairs has prompted Gandy and company to tap a different technology source, and to launch an entirely new player: the $995 Rega Apollo.

As Gandy puts it, "If we go back three years, that's when 'the big five' stopped supplying kit to specialist manufacturers. And all of them rely on chipsets or transports or whatever from Sony, Philips, and the rest. Around the same time, CD-player sales were decreasing. So Rega got together with two other specialist manufacturers in the UK, and we eventually found a company near Cambridge that had foreseen this hole in the market, with all the Japanese companies pulling out. They predicted, correctly, that a number of people would continue to want to make boomboxes in China, so they developed their own chipsets, and not just the software."

Gandy can't name the UK company in question—his relationship with them involves a confidentiality agreement—but he says that both they and Rega stand to benefit. "We agreed to work with them at the debugging stage, to help work out various problems—which their Chinese clients are in less [of] a position to do—and in exchange Rega gets to buy chipsets in small quantities."

Small in amount—but hardly small in power. Gandy says that the Apollo incorporates more than 20MB of memory, along with true 32-bit processing capabilities. That's several times the power of early digital control systems, and Gandy suggests that this newer level of technology was needed all along to attain the performance goals set for "Red Book" digital playback in the first place. "This isn't at all like working with the old CD chipsets," he says. "For the first time, we've got a CD operating mechanism that is so good, all we've had to do is avoid messing it up. Now, for example, we can design a better power supply and it makes the player better instead of worse: We don't have to worry that we're taking out something that was masking a flaw."

From puck to chuck
The Apollo is built into the same casework as the Rega Planet, with one key difference: The new player's transport holds the disc with a three-point ball chuck instead of a magnetic puck. That means the motor has less mass to spin, so the disc can accelerate and decelerate with greater ease. It also means that Rega's already elegant transport lid is now a single, undisturbed expanse of smoked Plexiglas—which looks very nice indeed.

The Apollo's transport, manufactured by Sanyo, is compliantly suspended from the upper portion of Rega's standard chassis of cast aluminum alloy. The D/A converter is Wolfson's top-of-the-line WM8740, a dual-differential chip that operates in sigma-delta mode and supports word lengths of up to 24 bits. The output section, which is said to apply class-A amplification to a digital source component in an entirely new way, is Rega's own design.

Apart from all that, the Apollo is a straightforward thing, with a front-mounted board for the logic bits and a single main circuit board for all the rest, fastened to the bottom of the chassis alongside the smallish toroidal mains transformer. RCA and optical digital output jacks are on the rear panel for those who wish to use an outboard DAC, as well as the usual pair of phono jacks for line-level analog output. In addition to the mains switch, the front panel has only the most basic start, stop, and track-advance buttons, while those and a full brace of other user controls appear on the nicely styled remote handset—including a button that can be used to kill the display lights. To jump ahead just a bit: As with the same feature on recent CD players from Naim Audio, that last one really did make an audible difference for the better; all of my comments on sound quality below refer to the Apollo's performance with its display dark.

As far as the control interface is concerned, the Apollo provides only one small surprise: After a disc is loaded and the transport door closes, the player doesn't respond to further user input for about eight seconds, during which time "INITIALISING" (spelled, or rather spelt, just so) remained on the display. I could, and often did, press the start button repeatedly, but the Apollo ignored me until it was ready. The culprit, if you want to call it that, is the new Cambridge-sourced chipset and its attendant surplus of memory: Each time the user loads a new disc, the Apollo reads the whole of the CD's subcode data into memory, analyzes it (footnote 1) and then selects the most appropriate of four levels of error correction. That way, the music is never overcorrected per se, and the integrity of the original datastream is kept intact to the greatest extent possible. In any event, the Apollo's eight-second wait is a mere blink of the eye compared with the best-case 27-second delay between loading a disc in the transport of my Sony SCD-777ES SACD/CD player and actually hearing music. Once again, a manufacturer has sent his wares to the most sympathetic reviewer imaginable.

From buck to cluck
From day one, the Apollo endeared itself to me—no other word for it—by cheaply doing well a great many things I consider crucial to music playback. Its rhythmic performance was strong—no surprise there, given that none of the Rega products I've heard have made music sound sluggish or unengaging—and its frequency range was well extended in both directions, with good balance between its strong bass registers and crisp, open-sounding trebles.



But it was the cleanness of the Apollo's sound that most impressed me that first day. In that sense, the Apollo was audibly, obviously different from most other players. After it had undergone a weeklong break-in period in my living-room system, I brought the Apollo into my dedicated listening room and installed it in my main system. The first song I played was Roy Wood's lovely "Whisper in the Night," from the first album by the much-abused Electric Light Orchestra, No Answer (Epic ZK 35524). After just the first few measures I was brought up short, and compelled to switch back to the Sony for comparison's sake: The Rega had an unambiguously lower noise floor. Through the Apollo, there was more emptiness between the notes—spaces had been filled with texture through the Sony, which I'd never noticed before. Consequently (or so it seemed), listening to the music was now easier: The tension that belonged in the music was still there, but the stress of listening to it was gone.

I heard much the same on "Lady Sweet," from Big Star's new album, In Space (Rykodisc RCD 10677). A mixture of gritty electric and clean acoustic guitars played more or less in unison—the thickness of the former, the percussive qualities of the latter—has always been a hallmark of the Big Star sound, but the qualities of the individual instruments are usually hard to pick out on a lesser system. The Apollo revealed them more cleanly than anything else in the house, stripping away a lot of electrical grunge from the spaces within the overall sonic tapestry (if you'll forgive a onetime use of that foppy cliché).

This effect wasn't limited to pop recordings. In fact, the Apollo's clean, open sound was even more pleasantly welcome with classical music. An obvious but good example came during the hushed opening measures of Strauss's Tod und Verklärung, with Lorin Maazel and the Bavarian Radio Symphony Orchestra (BMG 68221-2). With most players, good ones included, the susurration of the strings is hard enough to hear; with the Apollo, those sounds emerged from the darkness with all their musical meaning and sonic texture and color intact.

Hilary Hahn's exquisite recording of Elgar's Violin Concerto (SACD/CD, Deutsche Grammophon 00289 474 8732) is one of the most satisfying new classical releases in recent years (the CD booklet's good art direction doesn't hurt, either) sounded wonderful and emotionally satisfying through the Apollo. The player couldn't do anything about the curious lack of texture and warmth in the orchestral instruments—the sound, while not quite horrible, is a strange mix of dark and cold, although the solo violin fares better—but it played the melodies on the disc's "Red Book" layer with a DSD level of flow and momentum. Recent good SACD players, fed the DSD layer, did better with the performance's sense of drama and dynamic ease, though the Apollo was at least satisfying in that regard.

Spatial performance was fine, and certainly the equal of my Sony and the Naim CD5x. With very-well-recorded orchestral music—obvious choices such as Charles Munch and the Boston Symphony's various recordings in RCA's early Living Stereo series come to mind—ensembles sounded convincingly wide and deep, with last-row brass players sounding as if that was where they were coming from. Percussion sounds had great specificity, such as the snare drum and triangle in the first part of the 1955 recording of Ravel's Daphnis et Chloé (JVC XR-0222-2).

From one disc to the next, regardless of the style of music, the Rega was clean, clear, and never boring. The only shortcoming I noted was a tendency for the trebles to sound a little too crisp on a few discs in my collection—such as David Grisman's Bluegrass Mandolin Extravaganza, on his own Acoustic Disc label (ACD-35). I love the version of the weird old fiddle tune "The Dusty Miller" on that album, with Ricky Skaggs and his father-in-law, Buck White—although the great mandolinist Frank Wakefield steals the show toward the end with an edgy solo that throws all caution to the wind as he bangs back and forth between major and minor voicings. But the sound got edgy, too, in a way that the more expensive Naim CD5x and Ayre AX-7e did not. No big deal—but I'd think twice before buying a Rega Apollo for a system with a relentless top end.

Because the new data-control chipset they're using contains an MP3 decoder, Rega decided to make the Apollo MP3-compatible as well. I tried it out by burning a bog-standard Fujifilm blank with some MP3 files from my iMac's music library, including Clarence and Roland White playing "Nine Pound Hammer," and another charmingly weird fiddle tune (this one with vocals), "Cluck Old Hen," by Fiddlin' Powers and Family. (The latter was transcribed from an Edison Diamond Disc—meaning we've more or less come full circle, I think.) They played without a hitch or a glitch.

A final performance note: The Rega Apollo seemed more or less blasé about the quality of the cable used to take its line-level signal to my preamp—I wound up relying on my second-hand, 2m-long Audio Note AN-Vx interconnect, if only because it was so delightfully perverse to connect a $995 CD player to my system with a cable that cost even more. But it did respond to the Ayre Myrtle Block isolation supports I've mentioned in issues past. The Blocks enhanced the Rega's performance in most ways, chief among which was the sense of musical ease and flow, although I did think the bass went slightly deeper without them. (The Apollo's own feet are standard-issue rubber things, not the fancy layer-cake jobs that Rega puts under their turntables.) Go figure.

Wrap it up
Rather like the Cyrus CD player I reviewed in the January 2006 Stereophile, the Rega Apollo seems a canny response to the challenge posed by format wars, potential obsolescence, and the declining dollar: When in doubt, spend as little as possible, striving all the while for the best quality imaginable. I mean that last bit literally: Until recently, I doubt anyone could have imagined "Red Book" CD playback this good from a sub-$1000 player.

While the Rega Apollo is free of obvious flaws, you'd be forgiven for wondering what the extra money for an Ayre CX-7e ($2950) or a Naim CD5x ($2900) might buy. For that matter, you could ask how much more could be had from Rega's own forthcoming upmarket players, which will be based on the same digital-control chipset. (The Rega Saturn, poised for release as I write this, comes immediately to mind.) I haven't heard the other new Rega machines, but as far as the others are concerned, more money can get you more texture and color, more drama, and, most important (to me, at least), more of a sense of humanness, of the human force behind every note that's sung or played. The Apollo is not lacking in any of those qualities—but it's as wrong to imply as it is naive to assume that you can't do better.

For the here and now, however—here being $1000 and now being $1000 as well—the Rega Apollo is satisfying in a way that no similarly priced player of my experience can boast: It wouldn't embarrass any system I know (save for the most irredeemably bright), and would only improve the core musical values of most. The Apollo is a surprising step forward in a field that I'd thought was empty of same, and a hell of a bargain. Very strongly recommended.
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发表于 2007-11-16 12:00:29 | 显示全部楼层
解码芯片比较其次
同样转盘、电源处理下,一般指标高的信息量和延伸好点;多比特和一比特有差别;R-2R和delta-sigma的有点差别

但是CD整体声音的走向和转盘、供电、避震关系最大。不同品牌对于这方面的调教都有自己的一套成熟的做法。所以同一个牌子不同型号的CD,整体风格都是很接近的(除了代工型号),当然素质上有差别。

君子的CD就是那种声音,阿波罗比行星在指标上和音响性上提高了一点。
PC hi-fi : IBM x220i->TC K8->Apogee Rosetta200 (Mutec iclock Syn Both) ->Drawmer MC2.1->ADAM S4X-H
CD system : CEC TL3N-> Apogee Rosetta200(Mutec iclock Syn Both)->Drawmer MC2.1->ADAM S4X-H

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发表于 2007-11-16 13:13:58 | 显示全部楼层
建议买力宝声2010S,声音绝非一般机可比。

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转盘: MSB Signature.  melco
解码: MSB Select. Femto 33 clock
前级: Boulder 2110
功放: Bryston 28bsst2. 电分 mc2
音箱: Dynaudio Acoustics M4 mini
pmc MSB mc2 Burmester
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发表于 2007-11-16 15:35:35 | 显示全部楼层
弄个文豪的凑合听得了------
学了  用了  买了  听了  乐了
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发表于 2007-11-16 22:41:38 | 显示全部楼层
阿波罗就免了
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我在考虑W元左右的CD机。。不知道木星的效果如何,或者贵一点的Exposure3010?。。很不好选择。。
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Exposure3010 没错
转盘: MSB Signature.  melco
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前级: Boulder 2110
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Exposure 3010或Cambridge 840C. 都是声音清爽优美的W元英国好鸡.
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