北京安润DA11尝鲜

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今天路过北京安润，本想把心仪已久的650拿下，结果一进安润，发现da10的脑袋上又顶了个双胞胎兄弟，仔细一看--------DA11-----!!上午刚到，还没开机哪，哈哈，第一波让我赶上了。安润的老兄弄了好一会才开声：原来DA11面板上光纤·同轴·USB的输入要选择设置，选到同轴输入插上650赶紧试听--------本人是个小烧，听过的高档器材不多，就跟老弟DA10比比吧。声场和动态明显比DA10大，信息量更丰富了，声音取向还是一个风格，暖暖的，但细节表现的更好了。最大的感受就是比 DA10声场大，有点上了几层楼的感觉，视野开阔了好多，再试试传说中的声场效果选择（wide xxxxx 后面英文忘了，应该是这个意思吧），确实很有意思，声音的远近和包围感都很明显的变化，有点像在换不同的耳机。需要说明的是，我也听过不少国产的解码耳放，其中也有类似的效果选项，切换以后声音明显感觉不自然，动态被压缩，效果变化是建立在失真的基础上，有点得不偿失。但DA11明显要好的多，在各种效果切换时，声音的信息量，密度，动态都基本没有什么损失。实在是             不过价格也上10k了，虽说就冒点头，可也只能心里yy了。。。好羡慕有米的老烧。。。 。以上是我的一点粗浅之见。。就当抛砖了吧。。。。

williecoin

"传说中的声场效果选择（wide xxxxx 后面英文忘了，应该是这个意思吧"
好像不是哦

nadesicozhao

wide模式应该声音差才是
除非转盘太垃圾 DAC需要很宽容地接收数字流

conan

不会吧，我周二才在那里拿下da10

conan

Lavry Engineering Black DA11  
The NEW Extraordinary Stereo DA Converter

Retail Price:  $1480.00  
Sound Pure Price: Call us at 919-682-5552 for the lowest price in the country!  

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Product Details
Manufacturer: Lavry Engineering
Manufacturer's Description:
Features like a USB input, programmable settings, infrared remote capability, and the proprietary >PiC< Playback Image Control make the DA11 more than just a great sounding DA converter.
In keeping with the Lavry Engineering tradition of innovation in the pursuit of excellence, the DA11 combines customer requested features with a flexible approach to controlling the stereo image. The patent pending >PiC< Playback Image Control? allows the listener to adjust their position within the stereo sound field in a way that is unique to the DA11. Applications include adjusting the stereo width to create a headphone listening experience more like listening in a room with speakers, or moving the "sweet spot" with asymmetrical speaker placement.

A full compliment of USB, XLR, RCA, and optical digital audio inputs offer flexibility in using computer, network music, or stand alone CD player sources, as well as studio equipment. Balanced and unbalanced output options are provided for ease in connection to a wide range of HiFi as well as professional audio gear.

With the addition of infrared remote capability, the DA11 allows the listener to easily control important functions from the listening position with the added benefit of working with most universal remotes. The remote Mute function controls both headphone and main outputs, while a separate main output On/Off setting makes private headphone listening convenient.

Like the highly acclaimed LavryBlack DA10, the DA11 offers extreme transparency and musicality in DA conversion with the ability to control speaker volume using digitally controlled ANALOG volume circuitry. This allows the DA11 to be connected directly to a power amp or powered monitors without a preamp for the ultimate in "straight-wire" listening. With unparalleled precision in channel matching throughout the volume range, this feature allows the listener to easily reset the volume to a known level for consistent enjoyment with minimal signal degradation. Like all other programmable settings, the Volume setting is retained in memory when the power is turned "off."

The DA11 features:
* Ultra low jitter mode to minimize source degradation.
* Patent Pending >PiC< Playback Image Control.
* Accepts input sample rates between 30kHz and 200kH
* Potentiometer-free digitally controlled analog volume circuitry.
* High power discrete headphone output.
* XLR, USB, RCA (Coaxial) and Optical (Toslink) digital inputs.
* Optional Infrared Remote control
* Power On/Off muting protection on Main and Headphone outputs
* Balanced or unbalanced outputs with Polarity Inversion
* Included XLR to RCA adapters for easy connection to RCA inputs

conan

文中指出，正如白版所言，DA10和DA11的确不用前级，直接入功放。

11貌似有遥控器啊，再就是多USB，多一个声场调节的东西，不知道怎样，其他据说和DA10没有变化。

希望声音不会有很大变化，我才入10。

conan

DAN本人对DA11的评价
Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 1:56 pm    Post subject: Re: DA11 ?   

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thomaspf wrote:
Hi,

I just wanted to have a look at the forum and what did I find? The brand new DA11. USB input, a remote, a sophisticated crossfeed, ...

Dan/Priscilla/Brad any more info, availability, expected price, anything?


Congratulations to the new product!

Thomas


Hello Thomas

The DA11 is available now. The price is $1480.
The conversion is somewhat better then DA10 unit, I tightened up a few things.

The 4 inputs are XLR, Optical USB and RCA. The USB implementation offers up to 24 bits and up to 96KHz. The computer recognizes the DA11 when it is plugged in as "Lavry DA". The user does not need to download a driver. It works with Windows and Mac OS.

Also, the user can select balanced, unbalanced Pin 2 hot or unbalanced pin 3 hot from the front panel, no need to open the chassis and move jumpers.

The user gets to control signal inversion, dim the display intensity and turn OUTPUT ON/OFF which applies to the XLR output signals (the headphone stays on).

The unit parameter setting is real easy: The left selection switch moves a blinking cursor, (up for move left, down for move right). Activating the right selection switch down "SET" is a "yes/no" (it alters the selection of the function highlighted by the cursor). When done, just hit "Exit". The last settings are of course stored in a memory for a future power up.

The DA11 has additional protection for headphones: like DA10, both power up and down activates”loud click elimination" on the XLR, but the DA11 also protects power up and power down on the headphones.

The real unique feature is the PIC (playback image control). Here we have a whole industry that optimizes the stereo image based on assumptions. Say the mastering engineer works hard to provide a great stereo, and the assumption is that all listeners will have their home setup be nearly the same as the mastering studio. Many people do not (or can not) follow such ideal guidelines for speaker placement. And of course, anyone that wants to listen to headphones gets a very different stereo image then intended. Why? With speakers, the left signal gets to BOTH ears (similarly for the right signal). But with headphones, the left signal reaches ONLY the left ear (and the right signal ONLY to the right ear). The PIC provides correction for headphones and for speaker location. The user gets to correct the image at the listening space, AFTER the music has been prepared. It is only the end users that can make the final adjustment for their specific case, thus PLAYBACK Image Control.

While in most cases one would set the stereo image width with the same setting for Left and Right, I decided to offer separate Left and Right control, mostly for asymmetrical speaker setups. There are 6 settings for the left and 6 for the right.

+2 - widest (red)
+1 - wide (red)
0 - normal image (green)
-1 - narrow (yellow)
-2 - narrower (yellow)
-3 - narrowest (yellow)

The Image switches operate horizontally making the "hand motion" of setting the image corresponds to what one hears.

The image control, as well as volume and mute can also be set from a remote control. The unit is "remote ready" for use with any universal remote control devices.

The digitally controlled ANALOG volume control in the DA11 is the same as in the DA10.

To summarize, the DA11 is an improved DA10 with some new features, the main three features are the Playback Image Control (TM), the USB interface and the remote control.

The front and rear panels tell a lot of the story.

Regards
Dan Lavry
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Dan Lavry

[ 本帖最后由 conan 于 2009-2-21 01:11 编辑 ]

conan

看来，这个playback image control貌似很神奇，既可以在家的小空间创造出大的声场，还可以改善耳机的弊端。

conan

DAN继续说，The DA11 is designed with the goals of providing improved performance and functionality. It meets those goals. The conversion quality is not lowered relative to DA10; in fact the dynamic range is slightly better, the distortion measurements are very similar, and the sonic results are also comparable.

OK，DAN说动态更好了。

conan

这回是技术支持谈DA10和DA11接不接前置的问题：
Peter wrote
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Many are using the DA10 directly connected to active monitors, which I personally find far superior to passive systems. However, many say their system sounds better using a preamp, rather than using the DA10 volume control. Are there any obvious reasons in your opinion?
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There are a number of reasons why some DA10 owners may prefer the "sound" of their system using a Preamp between the DA10 and their amplifier or powered monitors.

The most obvious one is that they may have a preamp that has a "sound" that compliments or compensates for other parts of their system. For example, a tube preamp might "soften" the sound of a system with a "hard" sounding amplifier.

Many HiFi listeners have spent a lot of time and effort getting their system to sound just the way they want it to, so if eliminating one of the components changes this characteristic, the more "straight-wire" approach of using the DA10 as the volume control may not give them the result they want.

We also have many DA10 customers who do like the "straight-wire" approach and feel it gives them the best result with their system.

Either approach is "valid," and the DA10 (and now the DA11) has the flexibility to work with either approach if the customer's system changes in the future.

The digitally controlled analog volume circuitry has sonic transparency that is very close to that of a fixed attenuator, so there is no real down-side to setting it to a given volume and using an external volume control to adjust the listening level.

Brad Johnson
Lavry Tech Support

是不必接前置的，接前置是为了调音，接了也没有问题，都挺好。

[ 本帖最后由 conan 于 2009-2-21 01:28 编辑 ]

conan

原帖由 nadesicozhao 于 2009-2-21 00:00 发表
wide模式应该声音差才是
除非转盘太垃圾 DAC需要很宽容地接收数字流

不是wide模式，DA11没有这个选择键了。

mifeng

不太相信那个改变声场的小魔法

schpeltor

看起来对手应该是DAC1U的样子了

headfan

要narrow
加CROSSFEED就OK了

mayao11

原帖由 conan 于 2009-2-21 01:17 发表
DAN继续说，The DA11 is designed with the goals of providing improved performance and functionality. It meets those goals. The conversion quality is not lowered relative to DA10; in fact the dynamic ra ...

你仔细读这句话，潜台词是DA11比DA10“可能”要稍弱一些