HD650颂：世界上最真实自然的耳机

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FRUI，你选择性的过滤信息，主观上已经有偏向了。

frui

有前提的，请看33楼。

原帖由 小白 于 2010-1-20 13:16 发表
又很晕! HD650是好东西(在其价位而论),但那些老外的说法,大多不靠谱. 说HD650比L3000在播古典时好,我可以认同,其他那些,完胜007,任何方面都比L3000好,比KK,RS1,Q010强,这都很没谱了!

小白

HEAD-FI上乱七八糟什么信息都可以找到. 喜欢KK的,你可以找到说KK完胜大奥,小奥,007,010,R10,RS1的帖子,喜欢007的,你可以找到说007完胜大奥,小奥,010,R10,RS1,KK的帖子,等等等等,都可以找到. 想找啥,就有啥.

frui

呵呵音响本来就是一个主观的活儿，难得大家兴致好，我也就是凑个趣而已，不必认真。

再看看这哥们：
"The officially approved «high-end» headphones I've heard so far are: RS-1, PS-1, K 1000, Omega 2, SR-404. None has convinced me more than the HD 650. Now there are still Qualia, R10, HE 60, HE 90. I've heard the latter three and was impressed, but that was way too long ago. Since the R10 is «closed» (not my cup of tea) and the HE 90 unattainable, all that's left are the Qualia 010 and the HE 60 (at best available used). Not much choice. So I guess the HD 650 belongs to the high end. At least for me. "
他听过RS-1, PS-1, K 1000, Omega 2, SR-404.没有一个像HD650那样令人信服。

原帖由 恩佐法拉利 于 2010-1-20 13:16 发表
FRUI，你选择性的过滤信息，主观上已经有偏向了。

frui

继续，可别说tom hankins是个枪手和胡说八道的人哦：

"I've enjoyed the CD3000, HD600, Grado HP2, and AKG K1000 a bunch in the systems I have had them in. They all had good things to offer that to me made them special. They all had at least one thing that I thought they did better than the HD650. But the slight things they did better than the HD650 to my ears have not come close to the overall sonic quality the 650 has given me."

他喜欢CD3000, HD600, Grado HP2, and AKG K1000，它们都有各自的有点，而且都至少在某一方面胜过HD650，但是，这种某一单方面微小的胜出，与HD650在总体上的优异音质无法比拟。

frui

注意啊，狠的来了："Yeah, the core aspects of the sound play like this: HD 650s are the best dynamic headphones made today, at any price.

"Using the R10s in place of the Senns in this lineup: Shanling SCD-7200 SACD player>Emmeline HR-2>w/Cardas cable>Senn HD 650, I found virtually NO enhancements over the Senns. I've tried 3 R10s in this lineup in the past. Invited friends, many of whom are working pros in audio (thier clients include Springsteen, Diana Krall, etc.), to try 'em back-to-back with the Senns. We all agreed that the R10s are overpriced and overrated, and that the Senns were the best dynamic headphone investment one can make.

The R10s got plugged into Meridian SACD sources, amps from a Grace 901 to a Blockhead w/ SA's... still, virtually no improvement over the above system's results.

I know there are many folks to whom the R10s are the last word in dynamic headphones... let's just say that I ain't one of them."

That's from another thread, but it applies here, too. The HD 650 is more neutral, by any objective standard and by most SUBJECTIVE standards, than anything else out there. R10 and the Qualia are inferior, and this is from someone who's clocked quite a few hours on the Qualia, on several different 9+k systems, and who owns the HD 650 (plus Cardas), and who owned the R10s... as above, MANY working audio pros have agreed with me, some with notable surprise, that the HD 650s are the best all-around, most accurate, dynamic headphones available today, period. Unbalanced, this is true; on an all balanced system, it's all the more obvious (and how I listen to them every night)...

Hey, it's my opinion, but it's a well-founded one at least... "

hd650是世界上最好的动圈耳机，无论价位。
R10在如下配置上试听: Shanling SCD-7200 SACD player>Emmeline HR-2>w/Cardas cable>Senn HD 650。他听不出R10比HD650有任何提升。他一共试了3只R10，请了朋友，不少是专业音响人士（他们的主顾包括著名歌星斯普林斯汀等），他们一致认为，R10被夸大了，650是最好的动圈耳机。
R10 又被用在Meridian SACD 和amps from a Grace 901 及Blockhead，几乎没有任何提升。
HD650更中性，无论是从任何客观的还是主观的角度来说。R10和QUALIA比它差。这样评价的人拥有9K$的系统，拥有R10和HD650，听过几个小时的QUALIA。很多音响专业的从业人员也赞同这一点，不过他们也觉得非常吃惊。

frui

下面这一段专门献给白牙粉，引自英国音响杂志：
Excerpt from UK hi-fi press review:

"The HD 650's are revelatory. Dropping into a review system which of late has seen Beyerdynamic's very tasty DT990's as well as various high resolution speakers, they immediately moved the whole resolution game up a level or five... The sound of these transducers is simply so convincing that you know, instinctively and at once, that you can trust it implicitly... The HD650 cannot make excuses for poor or flawed recordings. If it's there, you'll hear it and its up to you whether to concentrate on the technical minus or the musical plus when there's a conflict. When both are pluses, though, you'll hear more of your music collection than you knew you had. This is high fidelity in its truest form."

"One of the most impressive hi-fi experiences we've had in a while, with a worryingly substantial advance in what we had regarded as 'high resolution' sound quality. Does far more than make headphones acceptable for late nights."

提到了DT990：HD 650比DT990在解析力方面提高了整整一个档次，甚至是五个档次。

小白

原帖由 frui 于 2010-1-20 13:18 发表
有前提的，请看33楼。

如果是拿HD650在这个超级耳放的驱动下,去和垃圾耳放驱动下的L3000,RS1,010,R10,KK比,那完全有可能. 问题比耳机不是这么比的,总要在驱动环节上大致做到公平才能比吧? 否则能说明什么问题呢? L3000在垃圾耳放驱动下,一定不如充分驱动好的W1000,那可以说明L3000不如W1000吗?

小白

五个档次?   白牙党赶紧去找一个说DT990把HD650干掉六个档次的文章出来 ......

frui

当然是在相同的驱动条件下。
650是遇强愈强，提升潜力巨大。
有的耳机，比如ED9，随身听就很好听。用随身听绝对秒HD650。但是你给它再好的放大器，也就那样了。
我觉得是大家的驱动潜力和提升曲线不一样。

有的神童12岁就能吟诗作画，可是有的笨蛋要到80岁才大气晚成。

原帖由 小白 于 2010-1-20 13:22 发表


如果是拿HD650在这个超级耳放的驱动下,去和垃圾耳放驱动下的L3000,RS1,010,R10,KK比,那完全有可能. 问题比耳机不是这么比的,总要在驱动环节上大致做到公平才能比吧? 否则能说明什么问题呢? L3000在垃圾耳放 ...

恩佐法拉利

原帖由 小白 于 2010-1-20 13:13 发表


很晕! 严格说来,ER4属于播什么都不太真. 它中频下段到低频上段缺的那部分信息,对绝大多数音乐来说,都是至关重要的. HD至少实实在在地做到了播某些音乐很真.

650高频缺乏穿透力，声音死气暗，活生感不足。ER4，650都是有缺陷的东西。

frui

12就能吟诗作画的神童，长大了可不一定出色。
古人说：“小时了了，大未必佳”。

frui

在英国音响杂志上不一定找得出来吧？

原帖由 小白 于 2010-1-20 13:23 发表
五个档次?   白牙党赶紧去找一个说DT990把HD650干掉六个档次的文章出来 ......

frui

再来：

与CD3000的比较：In terms of actual detail levels presented by the two headphones, I'd have to say I feel that the HD650 is the more detailed headphone. It is pretty obvious to me that I can hear more detail in a mix without trying than I can the CD3000. When listening again its clear that this detail is there on the CD3000 too, but I have to listen harder to hear it on the CD3000 because it does not have a flat frequency response (IMO), and that other details are forced on the CD3000, it might mean you may or may not miss detail on the CD3000 that you hear easily on the HD650. I think the HD650 is fundamentally neutral, the CD3000 is very coloured - but HD650 is the more detailed headphone as a result.

结论，HD650比CD3000提供更多的细节。