HD650颂：世界上最真实自然的耳机

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原帖由 恩佐法拉利 于 2010-1-20 13:00 发表


可惜只生古典的有，不生流行、JAZZ的有。拿古典播的好证明HD系列真实，我不赞同，歌德播JAZZ味道正，能说明歌德声音真实吗？

HD三旗舰播流行的话,要具体看,有些情况下效果不错,但有些音乐就不对味,甚至很糟糕. 歌德播JAZZ味道足,播一些摇滚味道足,说明它的声音特性适合这些音乐. HI-FI器材都是有自己声音特点,倾向的,这种特点,倾向,正好适合什么音乐,它就播这些音乐特别好. 而且耳机的特点,倾向,是由设计它的师傅的听音趣味决定的. 举个例子,森海HD650的设计者肯定是常听古典交响的,他在设计HD650的过程中就会偏向它播放古典交响的效果,以此为依据去做调整; 而歌德先生是喜欢人声和JAZZ的,他在设计自己耳机产品的过程中,就会偏向自己产品播放人声和JAZZ的效果.  这种设计时的偏向性,设计者的音乐趣味,就决定了产品的不同特征. 产品不同特征的背后因素,还是人.

恩佐法拉利

原帖由 小白 于 2010-1-20 13:04 发表
老刘的这句话: 假的“真”显然比真的假更对路子  说得很有意思,赞同表达的意思.

有一个大前提是我们必须记得的: 音响重播里所谓的"真",都是做出来的,都是人为"设计"出来的. 都是"假的真".

而所谓"真的假",是 ...

“真”有两种，一种是播什么都“真”，另一种是播部分音乐“真”。ER4是属于前者，HD系列属于后者，当然离真差远了，只是给他们分个门派。
反过来说，要说一致性的话，那么ER4播什么都失真，HD系列播部分音乐失真。

一张嘴，两张皮，看怎么说了。

frui

看head-fi上神人用HD650挑战大奥。

序幕，准备弹药和军火：

- PPX3

- PPX3-6SN7

- PPX3 SLAM*

- PPX3-6SN7 SLAM* (w/ 6SN7 driver)

- PPX3-6SN7 SLAM* Balanced

- Singlepower Extreme (A new, December 2006, circuit topology housed in a PPX chassis, featuring 6080 or 5998 out-put tubes. Available to non-Head-Fi'ers January 15, 2007. With different SP socket adapters**, several other driver inputs are possible: 6SL7, 6188 and 6SU7GTY; with ECC type 1 adapter: the 12AT7, 12AU7, 5814, 5965, 6414, 6829, and 7062; with ECC type 2: the 6ES8, 6DJ8, 6922; 6DJ4, 6DJ8, ECC189, ECC88, E88CC and the Osram PCC88. Another SP adapter will allow for the 5687, ECC182 and the 7119. Another adapter for the 6CG7/6FQ7 and 6GU7, and yet another for the 6350 and 6463.)

- MPX3-6CG7

- MPX3

- MPX3 SLAM*

- Singlepower Extreme Platinum (An upgrade of SP Extreme with a Plitron transformer, Black Gate cathode capacitors and Black Gate power capacitors.)

- Supra

- Supra-X (one-off, R10 voiced, SS-chassis with some SDS features)

- Supra 392 (one-off, optimized for 6BX7GT and 6BL7GT out-put tubes)

- MPX3 SLAM* SE(The standard MPX3 SLAM SE includes both a method of adjustment for the plate voltage and the current biasing of the output tubes to get optimal driving conditions with tubes like 5687, 6SN7, 6BL7GT, 6BX7GT et cetera. The voltage is controlled by a switch. The bias is adjusted automatically in the circuit depending on the tube in place. A bias switch is optional. The gain socket is rebiased for higher current delivery than a standard MPX3. The MPX3 SLAM SE package includes a Supra transformer with some Supra power filtration features, stepped attentuator, some circuit adjustments, SLAM adaptors and Black Gate cathode capacitors.

- MPX3 Balanced (in a Supra chassis)

- Supra-XLR (balanced, one-box-chassis)

- Maestro ZR

- SDS i.e. Super Duper Supra (extensively upgraded Supra with significantly modified circuit topology)

- The Dragon (could be called a "SP Extreme SE-2". Exclusive (Extreme influenced) circuit with a two stage gain design and external PSU with two 20A transformers. The amp is housed in "SDS-T" boxes. Link.)

- Supra Extreme XLR (Two transformers. This first made has Black Gate output capacitors and the Multi Stage Filtration)

- SDS-T (with external tube-rectified PSU. Housed in two narrow and deep chassis)

- Maestro XLR (balanced in a one-box-chassis)

- Maestro Aurum XLR (Maestro-XLR with gold-plated chassis)

- ES-1 (Electrostatic tube amp. Balanced & single ended with external PSU)

- SDS XLR Accent (balanced with external PSU in two standard sized Maestro chassis)

- SDS XLR Accent T (balanced with illuminated-tube rectified PSU in two standard sized Maestro chassis)

- SDS XLR (balanced with external PSU. In two large Maestro chassis, extensive pre-amp functions and switch-able sound tuning options)

有点晕了吗？这林林总总的不是几十个耳房，而是同一耳房的几十个变种，我看了一个下午才搞清楚它们之间的关系。SINGLEPOWER电子管耳房，推HD650最厉害的神器，尤其是终极版本的SDS XLR，用两台SDS来推平衡版的HD650，能把HD650完全超越自身，发挥到难以令人至信的地步。
以下观点来自不同网友，但大多数基于SINGLEPOWER SDS及SINGLEPOWER SDS XLR之上的看法（也有一些是用其它耳房）

[ 本帖最后由 frui 于 2010-1-20 13:14 编辑 ]

frui

" I think in a Singlepower balanced system the HD650/zu completely, totally, without a doubt is far superior to a 02/kgss system, Better (tighter & deeper) and stronger bass, not nearly as dark sounding, if not just as fast....close, better more focused soundstage. Lusher and more texured midrange. "

比STAX OMEGA 007 II全面胜出，在所有的方面。

恩佐法拉利

原帖由 whisky_qz 于 2010-1-20 13:05 发表
看来小四党还是挺强大的。。。

请看清楚，我没说ER4真，我只说HD系列不真。

frui

另一个人："This has also been my findings. After listening to the HD650/Zu with my SDS-XLR and then side by side with the Qualia, R10, and L3000 with a new maxed SDS-XLR, I have found the HD650 to be better than the Qualia, prefered sometimes balanced over the L3000 that was single ended. The balanced R10 is IMO the King. However with certain tunes I still prefer the balanced 650. I also rate the balanced 650 over the Stax 02, RS1, and K1000."
比QUALIA 010强，许多方面比L3000强，某些时候比R10强。比STAX 007 II, RS1, KK强。

frui

还有一个人："Having used the L3000 with the SDS and the 650/Zu through the SDS-XLR, I dont think the L3000 can compete on any level with the 650/Zu combo when run balanced(at least through the SDS-XLR)."
L3000在任何方面都无法与HD650竞争。

月夜听琴

frui

又一个人："But when I heard the SDS-XLR (Hirsch's amp) with a balanced pair of HD650's at one of the Florida meets, the sonic picture was so clear and speaker-like, I was simply dumbfounded. About the only other headphone experience I've had that compares was my first encounter with the HE90/HEV90, where it just seemed like everything was right with the world. With the SDS-XLR, the difference between a pair of single ended HD650/Zu versus a balanced pair of HD650/Zu run out of the same amp was just night and day. As I recall, there may have been some volume matching that needed to be done, but even when you compared them at the same listening level, it wasn't a fair contest. In fact, it was hard to believe that you were listening to the same source/headphone/amp combo (or at least you're listening to half of the amp in single ended)."

听HD650的震撼宛如当年听大奥。一切都极度完美。

小白

原帖由 恩佐法拉利 于 2010-1-20 13:10 发表


“真”有两种，一种是播什么都“真”，另一种是播部分音乐“真”。ER4是属于前者，HD系列属于后者，当然离真差远了，只是给他们分个门派。
反过来说，要说一致性的话，那么ER4播什么都失真，HD系列播部分音乐失 ...

很晕! 严格说来,ER4属于播什么都不太真. 它中频下段到低频上段缺的那部分信息,对绝大多数音乐来说,都是至关重要的. HD至少实实在在地做到了播某些音乐很真.

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原帖由 frui 于 2010-1-20 13:11 发表
" I think in a Singlepower balanced system the HD650/zu completely, totally, without a doubt is far superior to a 02/kgss system, Better (tighter & deeper) and stronger bass, not nearly as dark soundi ...

404，007。如果两个素质能相平的话，404应该算HI-END。

frui

还有人说："I rank them (hd650) head and shoulders above the following more costly phones I have heard or owned when used with a high end source and amp. All comparisons done with either SE or balanced Zu cable.
Grado PS-1
Grado RS-1
Grado HP2
AKG K1000
Senn. Baby "O"

The only fault I have found with the HD650 is with some amps they can be a little slow compared to some phones. The bass can loose a little control. The SDS fixes most of this...The SDS-XLR makes them as good as I think they can get. I would recommend a balanced source and amp to get the most out of the 650. I also like the PS-1 much more balanced. The RS-1 showed the least signs of improvment with my system between SE and balanced.
With out hearing the Orpheus, R10, or Qualia I would think they are probably the cream. Of all of the next level phones I like the HD650/Zu much more than any of them. Very detailed, very resolving, great headstage, musical, way above average headphone bass, comfy, they do vocals very good, and able to listen to them for hours without any fatigue.

他说，HD650远远超过如下耳机：
Grado PS-1
Grado RS-1
Grado HP2
AKG K1000
Senn. Baby "O"

frui

这个人的说法令人难以置信："I gotta be honest I prefer the 650's+zu over the R-10's. I think the 650's+zu is IMO on par with the Rs-1's, it's just a matter of preference.

I mean Tom Hankings was happy enough with his 650's.

But I prefer the He60's over the 650 as the he60s fast attack rate is blistering. That was just using the hev70. But I am looking to partner it with the 007t as I feel some nice tube synergy as it has been suggested by other headfiers."

坦率地说，我喜欢HD650胜过R10。
但是HD650不如HE60

[ 本帖最后由 frui 于 2010-1-20 13:16 编辑 ]

frui

还有这样的说法：
My impression is similar to Tom's. I had a pleasure of owning the HE-60 w/ HV-70 amp and imo, I prefer the HD-650 w/Zu and Single Power SDS amp more than the Baby O combo. The Baby O is slightly better only in midrange department, but everything else I prefer the HD-650 w/ Zu to the Baby O. The source is SACDmods Sony SCD-C555ES. To the HE-60 defense, I think the HV-70 was holding them back.

他本人拥有小奥，但是认为HD650更好，小奥只在中频领域微微胜出，其它方面则落败。不过，他认为这是小奥原配放大器的缺陷。

小白

又很晕! HD650是好东西(在其价位而论),但那些老外的说法,大多不靠谱. 说HD650比L3000在播古典时好,我可以认同,其他那些,完胜007,任何方面都比L3000好,比KK,RS1,Q010强,这都很没谱了!