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[pc-fi软件] 走访台湾“音悦音响”,用HD650比较了英、德三台耳放。(一)

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发表于 2009-2-16 12:08:33 | 显示全部楼层
Corda Opera音场如果是这样的,别的不谈,就声场而言不太适合偶的习惯,会觉得很不舒服。

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发表于 2009-2-16 12:57:31 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 Pan 于 2009-2-16 11:09 发表



我对Corda Opera配HD650的评价是:『无框的空间感,看得见的声音。』



退烧咯。
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发表于 2009-2-17 23:48:04 | 显示全部楼层
曾經有過這台,確實有些實力,只是OPERA的高頻部份......唉
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发表于 2009-2-17 23:51:26 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 msz006 于 2009-2-17 16:48 发表
曾經有過這台,確實有些實力,只是OPERA的高頻部份......唉


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发表于 2009-2-18 08:24:09 | 显示全部楼层
曾经与opera擦肩而过,真后悔没搞下来~~~
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 楼主| 发表于 2009-2-18 11:54:22 | 显示全部楼层
Shootout: Beyerdynamic A1 vs. Meier-Audio Corda Opera.





JensL
100+ Head-Fi'er

I’ve yet again been so fortunate to borrow a Beyerdynamic A1 amp.
And this time I could compare it to my own Meier-Audio Corda Opera. :-)


Equipment used:

Sources:
- PC with a Creative X-Fi XtremeMusic (optical/Coax cable to DAC/Opera).
- Foobar 0.9.4.2 with ASIO 1.2.4 (I also tried without ASIO).
- Lite DAC60 tube DAC. Modded quite a bit, and good tubes are used.

Amplifiers:
- Beyerdynamic A1 ($1300).
- Meier-Audio Corda Opera ($1100+)

Cables:
- Cardas 300-B Micro interconnects.
- Amphenol interconnects (included with the A1 amp).
- Headphone cables are all stock.

Headphones:
- Beyerdynamic DT990-32 (Beyer Manufacture custom).
- Beyerdynamic DT770-32 (Beyer Manufacture custom). Leather pads.
- Beyerdynamic DT770-250 Pro+Light Edition 2005 (Limited Edition)
- Beyerdynamic DT880 (Previous version).
- Audio-Technica ATH-W1000.

All headphones are well-used, so there’s shouldn’t be any issues regarding burn-in.
The same goes for both amps, they’ve got 400-500 hours of use.

Music used:
Mostly WAVs and MP3s (ÜberStandard), but also a DVD-Audio (“Imaginary Day” by Pat Metheny)
Some of the artists:
- Mark Knopfler
- Ani DiFranco
- Opeth
- Massive Attack
- Rage Against the Machine
- Faithless
- Pink Floyd
- Dream Theater
- Patricia Barber
- Steve Vai
- Niacin

Some info on the testing procedure
For most of this test, I used the Lite DAC60 connected to the Opera, which is then connected to the A1. This makes it fast and easy to switch between the two amps, using the same source. I tried connecting the A1 directly to the DAC60, but I couldn’t hear any differences from when it was routed through the Opera.

The modified Lite DAC60 is a very nice DAC. Nice, smooth, tubey midrange and highs, and a very dynamic bass. I tried comparing it to the internal DAC in the Opera, and the DAC60 is better in my opinion. It’s more dynamic and just as detailed. Way better than the Zhaolu D2 I had before.

Crossfeed was not used.
The zero ohm output of the Opera was used.


Construction
A1:
See my first A1 review. Here I also compare it to my Mapletree Ear++ tube amp.
Opera: Much has been said already, so do a search.
I only want to say that it looks way better in real life, than in pictures. Also, I would have wanted the switch for USB/Internal DAC to be located on the front. Oh, and the bloody clicking of the relays can be annoying sometimes.


Comparison using the DT770-32 Manufacture
The highs: Quite evenly matched. I can’t hear much difference between the two amps. However, the A1 seems to be a little brighter.

The midrange: Again, not many differences, but here the A1 seems a to have a little more resolution and possible a wider soundstage. There’s some more body to Mark Knopfler’s voice. Actually a little more texture too. On recordings with huge soundscapes, there’s more space between the sounds with the A1.

The bass: Ok, here are the differences. The A1 got some serious punch with enormous control. It’s just so fast and dynamic. Drums sound bloody realistic. The Opera is also top notch, but it’s slightly reserved in comparison to the A1. It’s also easier to pick out bass-lines that usually get a little drowned in the mix. Rage Against the Machine is hysterical fun with the A1 and DT770-32. :-)

Conclusion using the DT770-32 Manufacture: Quite interesting to hear that this fairly easy-to-drive DT770-32 also can pick out differences between these two superb amplifiers. However…with this headphone and on some recordings (often of lower standard), the bass can actually come close to be overpowering. But this will depend on the source. The DAC60 is bass-heavy, and when switching to the gentler inboard Opera-DAC, overpowering bass is less likely.
Let’s try another headphone.

Comparison using the DT770-250 Pro+Light Edition 2005 (Limited Edition)
The highs: About the same as the DT770-32. The A1 is a little brighter, but not fatiguing in any way. I think there’s a little additional air with the A1 too.

The midrange: This DT770 got a brighter and more detailed midrange than most DT770s, which makes it ideal to pick out differences on equipment.
Again, the A1 adds more body to voices, and I think there might be a hint of more details. The A1 seems to have slightly better control over the soundstage when things get really busy in the midrange.

The bass: This DT770 haven’t got the huge, deep bass of the regular DT770s, but it’s faster and tighter.
Even with this fairly bass-light phone, there’s still a feeling that the A1’s got something in the bass-regions that the Opera hasn’t. It’s especially noticeable when there’s a lot going on. There’s more energy, and yet easier to pick out a single bass-line.

Conclusion using the DT770-250 Pro+Light Edition: This is a harder to drive headphone, but the differences are very similar as those heard using the DT770-32. It was easier to hear that voices got more resolution and texture on the A1.
It was interesting to hear that the A1 made this already fast bass even faster. There’s truly something special going on here.


I tried the other headphones too, but I couldn’t find any other interesting differences, so I’ll just rather sum it up in the final conclusion.


Final conclusion
First of all; these are two extremely good solid state headphone amplifiers. Based on sound-performance alone, I wouldn’t hesitate recommending both to anybody.
The Opera is superbly smooth and balanced. I can’t think of any music it wouldn’t do full justice to. It’s just that the A1 does a few things even better (or differently, if you will).
Honestly, I couldn’t hear any significant differences in the highest frequencies. The A1 might have a tad more air and brightness, but it’s too close to even bother.

In the midrange there’s less body and width on the Opera. Male voices sound more robust and got more texture on the A1. It’s also easier to pick out details when the music gets really busy and crowded. But beware, these are fairly small differences. Not being able to directly compare the amps, I doubt many will notice them.

However, in the bass-region, most people will easily notice the differences. The A1 is dynamic monster. I haven’t heard speed, attack, control and dynamics like this in any amplifier (I haven’t tried THAT many amps, though). It finds more rhythm and groovyness that you ever thought was possible in your favorite tracks. Not only in Rage Against The Machine’s hard drums, but also in Ani DiFranco very percussive guitar-picking and when Steve Vai gets really complex.

The A1 still won’t make your DT880 sound like a DT770, but it will make it a little more entertaining and dynamic, if you like those sort of things. Even the W1000 got some more down low grooves.
There’s something really special with the A1 dynamics.

But if you got a very bass-competent source and headphone, the A1 might actually be a little too much. I think this will occur very rarely, and you must be bass-sensitive. Also the A1 is without mercy regarding badly recorded music and low bitrate MP3s.

The biggest problem with the Beyerdynamic A1, is still the price. It still feels too high, even if it is an extremely good amplifier. The slightly boring looks aren’t helping either, I guess. There are other amps on the market with better reputations and might be considered sexier.
However, having heard the A1 with a better source than my Zhaolu D2, it’s apparent that it scales very well with better equipment, so the price might not be that bad after all.
It's a tricky one...

I’m probably not going to sell my Opera for an A1 any time soon. The Opera is an excellent all-rounder with fantastic sound and great features at a very good price. A package that’s very hard to beat.

But man….those magical A1 dynamics….


[ 本帖最后由 Pan 于 2009-2-18 12:14 编辑 ]
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发表于 2009-2-18 12:14:43 | 显示全部楼层
A1低频稍多?
GRADO RS1e
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发表于 2009-2-18 22:27:45 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 yangmetal 于 2009-2-17 23:51 发表


pls go on~~


!? 既然楊兄有興趣的話,那在下就說些個人經驗好了~


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這台OPERA是我前年用的,當時自己聽的耳機除了照片上那個非常不適合且未煲開的ED9外,還有K601HD600650DT880等。背後那台黑布蓋著的訊源應該是我的CEC TL51XZ或是朋友的Cambridge Audio CDP(忘了型號)+DAC1,另一個訊源是桌下的PC(當時都是沒講究PC HIFI,沒處理的情況,很難聽),用的是X-Fi Elite Pro。這個音效卡加上OPERA以及某些耳機搭配起來當時應可說是能夠殺人的組合,後述。

CORDA OPERA就我自己的總和印象是,外觀作工相當不錯,音色確實算中性少染,解析高,聲場、動態、定位感頗佳,低頻的線條、層次也不錯,播放大編制可說是可圈可點。但總體而言,聲音稍薄一些。至於DAC部分只能算是方便像PC訊源這類用家而已,差不多算是RMB 1K左右的吧。雖然有不少朋友認為OPERA算是百搭的耳放,不過,說實在的,當時我所聽過令我較滿意的耳機搭配,大概也只有650而已(或許是自己口味的問題? )。

記得剛拿到不久,有天在測試OPERADAC部分時,當天一位朋友帶來了幾副耳機一起玩,聽完了CDP之後,想嘗試Elite Pro的數位輸出到OPERADAC來聽聽看,當時接上的是GS1000,由於剛聽完我自己的Tutti!,朋友說要聽聽他自己帶來的CD來試,就讓他先聽了。沒想到開始聽不到10秒,朋友即跳了起來,拿下耳機,我接著聽下去,才知道這些東西加上這種日本流行音樂CD,再聽下去應該可以讓耳膜出血吧,實在是太尖銳刺耳了。


由於早先是用CDP+古典比較沒發現這問題(只是覺得某支被批評為高頻不夠的耳機怎麼亮了起來!?),後來我試聽了其他錄音品質較佳的人聲CD等,無論用線材如何調整,一樣都仍有這樣的問題,只是輕重不同而已。過了幾星期之後,注意到國內外一些OPERA的用家也有同樣的聽感,於是大致可以確認應該是OPERA的“特色”了。

上述情形我一直用了半年以上都仍不見改善到可以接受的範圍,於是就把它出了。當時我也遇過同是OPERA的用家跟我說,再煲下去會有改善的,不過我實在等不下去了,也可能是口味不同吧。所以呢,也有可能是我誤殺忠良了也說不定!

不過還是建議有興趣的朋友能親耳聽聽看,OPERA仍算是台對得起身價的優秀耳放。Head-Fi上面有許多好評,聽說Jan Meier靠這幾台東西賺了不少!



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发表于 2009-2-18 22:32:19 | 显示全部楼层
看来DAC部分很弱。
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发表于 2009-2-18 22:34:34 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 crow01828 于 2009-2-18 22:32 发表
看来DAC部分很弱。


我認為是如此,SYMPHONY就好得多~
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原帖由 msz006 于 2009-2-18 15:27 发表


哦!? 既然楊兄有興趣的話,那在下就說些個人經驗好了~


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這台OPERA是我前年用的,當時自己聽的耳機除了照片上那個非常不適合且未煲開的ED9外,還有K601、HD600、650,DT880等。背後那台黑布 ...


Thx a lot,
Ok, I see, the sound sig doesn't fit my taste either
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 楼主| 发表于 2009-2-18 23:21:17 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 crow01828 于 2009-2-18 22:32 发表
看来DAC部分很弱。


Corda Opera有两个版本,一个纯耳放版,一个带DAC解码版;我对带DAC版不感兴趣,我试的一台是纯耳放版。
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看来古典音乐并不是检验器材的试金石,opera一听流行,立刻打回原型。。。。
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原帖由 409544041 于 2009-2-18 16:21 发表
看来古典音乐并不是检验器材的试金石,opera一听流行,立刻打回原型。。。。


no no no, coz the pop recordings are normally less balanced
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